Christianity Religion or Relationship?
Over at the secular outpost Blogger Bradly Bowen has announced a 10 year plan to investigate the truth of Christianity. Why do I feel that this is more like a 10 year siege? In any case he had already done one piece on "what is Christianity?" , but this part 2 [1] Bowen argues that those who say "Christianity is not a religion but is a relationship with Jesus," are "stupid," (he uses the word). Why does he want Christianity to be a "religion" instead of a relationship? You can't disprove a relationship. He does a bait and switch replacing religion with system, reading system as philosophical system, then it's disprovable.
I do not think there is a conflict between religion and relationship. Before I get into that let's briefly examine Bowen's case. His argument works in three basic steps: (1) He quotes Paul, "..."the mystery of our religion is great..." .(1 Timothy 3:15-16) [2] The Greek word rendered here as "religion" isεύσεβείας which the Oxford commentary renders "system:" "...the system of belief that inspires piety." [3] So now he can claim Christianity is a religion and religion means system. Then he starts using various dictionaries to define Christianity as religion
"At Cambridge Dictionaries Online, you get a single definition of 'Christianity':
--the Christian faith, a religion based on the belief in one God and on the teachings of Jesus Christ, as set forth in the Bible. "If we turn to the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary, we get a simple definition of 'Christianity', which is similar to the above definition:
the religion that is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ
What sort of a thing is 'Christianity' according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary? It is a 'religion', not a “relationship”. "[4] He actually wrote that the dictionary says it's not a relationship but it does not say that, It only says it's a religion but it does not add "and not a relationship." That's his assumption that it can't be both. "No matter what definition of 'Christianity' we look at, all definitions in respected dictionaries point to the view that 'Christianity' is a RELIGION, and not a relationship." He says it a third time too (see fn4).
The assumptions he is working under are used to construct a very complex and learned straw man. He wants Christianity to be a system so he can find the one key point and destroy the system and take out all forms of belief. His reasoning is fallacious.Yes of course it's a religion. Those who say it's not are speaking of "religion" in a different sense than is Bowen or the passage he quotes from Paul. They use the term to mean empty set of rituals legalistic and lifeless, as opposed to an actual transformative phenomenological apprehension of the reality behind the system.
Knowing (1097) (ginosko [ginōskō]; English derivatives - prognosis, gnostic, Gnosticism) means to acquire information through some modality, as through sense perception (hearing). However ginosko involves experiential knowledge, not merely the accumulation of known facts. Ginosko is one of the major verbs of the Bible ...Knowledge possessed through the intellectual process of learning is one thing. Knowledge gained by experience, by an active relationship between the one who knows and the person or thing known, is far superior to the former. Ginosko describes the latter quality of knowledge and is what every Christ follower should desire as their personal, permanent possession regarding the Person of Christ (e.g., see ginosko in Jn 8:32, Jn 17:3, Php 3:10).[7]
Sources
[1] Bradley Bowen What is Christianity part 1, Secular outpost, Blog URL
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2016/01/15/what-is-christianity-part-2/
[2] New Revised Standard Version).
[3] Oxford Bible Commentary, p.1225, (emphasis added--by Bowen)
[4] Definition of Christianity from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2016/01/15/what-is-christianity-part-2/#sthash.KFegtuYw.dpuf
[These are all his words form further definitions]
The online Merriam-Webster Dictionary also provides An even fuller set of definitions of “Christianity” can be found at Dictionary.com:1. the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
2. Christian beliefs or practices; Christian quality or character:
Christianity mixed with pagan elements; the Christianity of Augustine’s thought.
3. a particular Christian religious system:
She followed fundamentalist Christianity.
4. the state of being a Christian.
5. Christendom.
6. conformity to the Christian religion or to its beliefs or practices.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/christianity?s=t\
[5] "Know, Known, Knowledge, Unknown," Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Thomas Nelson; 38153rd edition (September 22, 1996)On line, URL:
http://studybible.info/vines/Know,%20Known,%20Knowledge,%20Unknown
(accessed, 10/37/17)
[6] Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to the Bible, "Ginosko," Peabody Mass: Hendrickson Publishers, 2009, word 1097.
[7] "Greek word studies: Know (1097)Giosko,: Sermon Index. Net, (2017)
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=34335
PDF:http://img.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/article_pdf.php?aid=34335
Comments
JH: [i]I do not think there is a conflict between religion and relationship.[/i]
Right. So like Bowen, it sounds like you disagree with the claim: "Christianity is not a religion; it is a relationship with Jesus Christ.”
Bowen's post is arguing that Christianity IS a religion. As far as I can tell, Bowen is not arguing that Christianity is not a relationship with Jesus. You are nitpicking his post because he is an atheist, not because you actually disagree, as far as I can tell.
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Are you claiming Christianity is NOT a religion?
I think I was pretty clear about saying it's both, no reason why those are mutually excursive categories
JH: [i]I do not think there is a conflict between religion and relationship.[/i]
Right. So like Bowen, it sounds like you disagree with the claim: "Christianity is not a religion; it is a relationship with Jesus Christ.”
Yes but for different reason,He said its not a relationship I say it's both,
Bowen's post is arguing that Christianity IS a religion. As far as I can tell, Bowen is not arguing that Christianity is not a relationship with Jesus.
yes he is, I think I was clear on that point but maybe not, ayway Im suret hat's what he was saying,
You are nitpicking his post because he is an atheist, not because you actually disagree, as far as I can tell.
No I'm major picking because it's an important issue. There are atheists I like you are one of them so I can be fair to atheists,I don't think I'm unfair to you am I?