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I have a few Christian friends who are from overseas, including one very good friend who is from Indonesia. Persecution of Christians happens there, though not on the same scale as in places like Iran or Saudi Arabia. But it struck me one day to ask my friend what seems to be an obvious question: "What can we, as Christians in America, do for the persecuted church in other nations?"

When that question is raised, there's an immediate and obvious answer: "We can pray for them." Yes, I know; and I purposely asked my friend to account for that, and say, what can we do besides pray. (I'm not denigrating prayer by any means, but I've also noticed that "I'll pray for you" is sometimes code for, "I don’t want to give away any more of my precious money. I need to buy a new car to replace the one I’m getting tired of; the house needs a new coat of paint, and I already give away 10% to the church. So here’s a bone. Woof woof.”)

So, moving past my cynical take on superficial expressions of piety...what can we do for the persecuted church in places like Indonesia?

The first thing to know is that what we might be able to do for persecuted Christians in Indonesia, might not work in a place like Saudi Arabia. My friend noted that the issue faced by Christians in Indonesia "is complex and multi-dimensional." There's a closer interrelation between race, ethnicity, and religion in their culture, so that persecution of Christians can be misinterpreted as persecution against the ethnic Chinese minority among which Christianity is more prevalent.

In practical terms, here is what my friend suggested as someone who has had boots on the ground both in Indonesia and America, as given to me more or less verbatim:

Put pressure on major news outlets and on church and government officials to shine a spotlight on the persecution, not only for American consumption, but for Indonesian consumption. Although Indonesians in general think that Westerners are 'different' and morally bankrupt, they paradoxically value certain Western stuff (news, education, entertainment) to be superior to their own. 

That said, it's best if the persecution is reported and criticized not as a human-rights issue, since that takes on the appearance of Americans telling Indonesians what to do, which in turn will raises debate about national sovereignty, etc. Rather, the matter should be raised as a religious persecution issue (that is, Christians helping their brothers and sisters in need). Of course, since most American media is secular these days, it might be left to Christian media to take up this task.

Another suggestion: More visitor exchange programs. Financially and logistically, this is much more difficult. But despite a Muslim majority in Indonesia, it is, as noted, a place where persecution of Christians is not as serious as it is in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia. You might say that the more "modern" a Muslim is, the less likely it is they will engage in persecution against other religion. (We can see this in Turkey, as well, I believe.) In my own view, this might be said to be similar to how some suggest Communism could be overthrown in Cuba, by exposing Cuban citizens to Western ideas, not by force, but by gentle influence and by being a beacon on a hill. where did I get that figure of speech from?

In sum, that's just some food for thought; we would do well to ask the same question of Christians from other nations, and see what answers we get. I would suggest that since Christians in America are getting a little fat and lazy, it might do us some good to wear the shoes of our brothers and sisters in other locales for a while.

Who knows? Maybe we can get a few hundred intelligent hecklers into Joel Osteen's church instead of a handful of really uneducated ones.


very important topic and one that needs a lot more exposure. Thanks JP.

MacDonald used to say that our key prayer (maybe even before gratitude), should be, "Lord, what would you have me to do?"

So in that sense, praying first coincides with the topic after all! {g}


it's a cliche to say pray but only if we dom't do it.

So, from a practical point-of-view, are there any Christian outlets that could carry the news that aren't? If we write letters to the editors, would it help? And are there any outlets that are secular outlets that would be willing to carry news of persecution, even if it is against Christians? (Does anyone here network with editors, or do interviews where there's a chance to mention it?)

I remember years ago there was a coordinated month-long prayer campaign for the persecuted church ... haven't seen it in awhile. Is it going on facebook & new media?

You know, the "sister church" idea could have traction if we made the relationships visible on-line and actually got to know each other, everybody, even those who can't afford to go to another country or take a month off of work ...

I'm glad you brought up the topic, I'm just wondering whether we can take your ideas and give them enough traction to move.

Take care & God bless
Anne / WF

WF: Yes, that's the rub too. We're not very responsible with the gift of media. I, for one, would like to see TBN put out of business and replaced with an organization that can provide the traction we need instead of wasting our time featuring Jonathan Cahn babbling about all this bull-shemitah he makes up. :D

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