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A Rational Look at Christianity; Basing Reason in Truth

The recent Federal courts decision by Judge Lawrence Karlton declaring the words "Under God" unconstitutional for "establishing a religion" both appauls me because of the reasoning behind the law and doesn't surprise me at all considering the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is the most liberal court in the "United" States of America. I'm dismayed because if the words referencing God were seriously unconstitutional, then all American currency that says "In God We Trust" are immoral by definition and ought to be destroyed and replaced. But this debate is NOT just about the two words "Under God" in our nations pledge. It is about a minute group of atheists who forsee, at a foundational level, contrary to classical and historical American thought on how religious freedom ought to be implemented on governmental grounds, educational system, and in civilian life. Can you imagine what would happen if this took place in a Muslim country?

Unfortunately, Michael Newdow, the atheist who led this case, and most other anti-American athiests decided to reside in a nation that, from it's beginning, grounded it's freedom and rights "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...". America is the land of the free, home of the brave, and "One nation under God." Isn't it odd how these people claim their Right to remove the words "Under God", under the “inalienable Rights” which according to our Constitution, are “endowed by our Creator”. The problem now is that we are no longer "One Nation", but rather a large piece of land marked by individualism, "love myself", and "I'll help you if and ONLY if it benefits ME" mentality.

Writer JB Williams best describes the trends our nation has adopted over the last 200 years. He writes:

"Simply stated, Tyranny breeds discontent, discontent breeds outrage, outrage breeds action, action brings freedom, freedom breeds opportunity, opportunity breeds success, success breeds content, content breeds laziness, and laziness allows tyranny back in once again. It only took a little over 200 years to complete the cycle."

Folks, activist atheists do not simply want a pledge with the words "Under God" omitted; they are after a country that denies the existence of a God. Why would they want such a nation? Being made in the image of the Creator, they know without Him they are unaccountable for their short-comings. Without their Maker all laws are of matters political power. All "rights" become temporary pleasures until the next consensus pole assures us a little while longer. Atheists are unaware that it is our Christian principles that stonewall even the Rights of the non-believers in this country, not the men and women they worship.

If Christians won’t protect our nations Christian heritage who will, the atheists? Church we, as lovers of the God-given rights "endowed by our Creator", need to remember the 200 years our forefathers shed their blood to protect that which makes our nation great, namely our freedom to believe in a higher power and the blessings we have received because of it. We will not win this war of ideas if there lacks a frontline to impact those who seek to deny us our freedoms and liberties. Prayer is effective, but not enough. God has gifted us and expects us to actively engage the marketplace of ideas. Will you join me in defending this great nations history that has been given to us from our Founder?

Cross-blogged at Apologia Christi


Why do away with "under God"?

Because there are people who don't believe in God (atheists, Buddhists). There are people who believe in many gods (Hindus, pagans). There are people who don't believe we're under God's control (deists, pantheists). There are people who don't have the same God in mind as Christians do (Muslims, Sikhs, Baha'is). And so on. The USA is their country too, not just Christians'. You Christians want "under God" kept in order to keep your status quo of the USA being "a Christian nation" and thus not having to accord non-Christians the same rights as you have.

"One nation, indivisible" was good enough. "Under God" was anti-commie stuff added in the 1950s, and now that the Cold War's over it's not needed anymore (not that it was then, but what the hey).

Anonymous (*sigh*), the issue here is whether having the phrase "Under God" is constitutional or not. Clearly if you go and read our historical documents such as the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, our Founding Fathers, which included deists and non-believers, fully understood our nation being a gift from a higher power. They also implemented the true definition of religious tolerance; meaning "we may disagree, but I still respect you as a person", not "all views are equal and because you think you're RIGHT, you ought to be dismissed." The reason why our Founders grounded rights and liberty in a higher power was because if rights and liberty are given by men (alone) then they can be taken away. Do you believe there doesn't not exist such things as "unalieable rights?" If they exist, who or what grounds those rights?

I understand that there are many who do not believe in God, which is a very small number, however, stating the phrase "under God" does not violate constitutional law. If fact, if citing "under God" is unconstitutional because it "establishes a religion", what religion does it establish? It sure doesn't establish anything in particular. Turn it around for a minute. Say the pledge didn't have the words "under God" in it. Would Christians, Muslims, Hindus, deists, and pantheists have a justified claim that the pledge establishes "athiesm" as a religion? According to your reasoning, they would.

The bottomline is where to basic rights and liberty come from? If men ground them, then they can easily be taken away without justification. If God grounds the, He is the only one who can take them away. Whether or not the phrase was later added to the pledge speaks nothing on the truth or falsity of what grounds the rights you are using right now to object to this post. You must first show that "under God" is unconstitutional, which you have yet to do.

You concluded, "You Christians want "under God" kept in order to keep your status quo of the USA being "a Christian nation" and thus not having to accord non-Christians the same rights as you have."

This is completely false and attacks a straw man. First, this nation was founded by a majority of Christians. That is undisputed by historians. Second, just because a majority of Christians founded this nation does not mean we claim to have more or higher standing rights than any other fellow American. All people are created equal. Sound familiar? No one has more value or precedent than another. Just because we are equal, doesn't mean our views are equal. Some are wrong and some are right by way of the laws of logic. When we hold different viewpoints there has to exist tolerance for each others ideas. It seems you don't want that. What say you?

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