This was a post on the Debunking Christianity blog. It's by Loftus and then when I answered some another atheist comes in:
I find it odd that otherwise intelligent people can misread so badly what Beversluis had written about C.S. Lewis. I think it's because many Christians hold Lewis in some sort of iconic status that any criticism, even a mild one, and even if correct, is seen as a personal attack on their hero.
9:17 AM, June 26, 2008
Blogger J.L. Hinman said...
I couldn't stand Lewis for a large part of my Christian life. I only began to finally gain some respect for him as i began going to graduate school and actually learned enough to realize that he knew a great deal more than I did.
The problem is that skeptics can't understand faith. Probably they are too busy being skeptical about it. So faith is transitory. I grows. Growth means change. so when faith changes skeptics think it's been lost. Its not lost it's just changed.
8:59 PM, June 26, 2008
Blogger Logossfera said...
And this answers perfectly the question "Do christians lie for their faith?"
3:38 AM, June 27, 2008
Now what the hell is going on here? This guy assumes that I can't admire Lewis? Is that it? Or is it he doesn't believe that I was ever bothered by Lewis?
I just think it's a reached a point where they cannot be talked to anymore. They are beyond the point where it is possible to have a civil conversation with them. Every time I ask for confirmation that this is not the case they prove to me that it is.
Martin Luther King did not try to sit down with the KKK and have nice little rational discussion. Why? Because they would never do it. They were murdering people, they had no intention of having a discussion. They had absolutely zero respect for MLK or anyone black. Now it appears to me that this is the case with about 90% of the atheists on the net. I ask atheists to prove to me that they want to have intelligent civilized discussions and they just tell me I'm full of hate.
I would really love for them to show me that I'm wrong, by actually having such discussion. They just start every dialogue with the snide arrogant attitude and it goes down hill from there. There are plenty of atheists who don't act this way. John Loftus is one of them. He catches some flak, some of it for things of which I can empathize, but he doesn't act this way. He has never once said anything remotely hostile like this to me.
How can we achieve understanding? Is this a lost cause? Why is there such a large contingent of atheists who act this way, and yet some real gems who don't. Why can't we get them to be the model?