tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post9021081468903245567..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Atheists: the featherweight theological divisionBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-70108509611230215252008-07-30T08:10:00.000-07:002008-07-30T08:10:00.000-07:00J.L. Hinman said..."Hu? you kidding/ where'd you g...J.L. Hinman said...<BR/>"Hu? you kidding/ where'd you get that idea [that there is no objective peer review in theology]?"<BR/><BR/>I don't see Hindus, Buddists and Muslims reviewing and agreeing with Christian flavor of theologies, or is there a peer review system for this. Theology does not seem to get anywhere when people do not agree even on a basic things.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>You are talking Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-30718361719889288972008-07-29T23:10:00.000-07:002008-07-29T23:10:00.000-07:00J.L. Hinman said... "Hu? you kidding/ where'd you ...J.L. Hinman said... <BR/>"Hu? you kidding/ where'd you get that idea [that there is no objective peer review in theology]?"<BR/><BR/>I don't see Hindus, Buddists and Muslims reviewing and agreeing with Christian flavor of theologies, or is there a peer review system for this. Theology does not seem to get anywhere when people do not agree even on a basic things.<BR/><BR/><BR/>J.L. Hinman said... Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-50511758894972133982008-07-29T17:55:00.000-07:002008-07-29T17:55:00.000-07:00Scientist often see this because there is no objec...Scientist often see this because there is no objective peer review in theology. <BR/><BR/><B>Hu? you kidding/ where'd you get that idea?</B><BR/><BR/>Muslims/Christians/Raelians all claim they are right and as an outsider how can you verify the claims. Everybody seems to be a theological expert, and when everybody is an expert, nobody is.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>there's no peer review in war either. butJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-52595697448210349622008-07-29T16:22:00.000-07:002008-07-29T16:22:00.000-07:00J.L. Hinman said... "[Dawkins] says theology is no...J.L. Hinman said... <BR/>"[Dawkins] says theology is not a real subject and not real knowledge"<BR/><BR/>Scientist often see this because there is no objective peer review in theology. Muslims/Christians/Raelians all claim they are right and as an outsider how can you verify the claims. Everybody seems to be a theological expert, and when everybody is an expert, nobody is.<BR/><BR/>J.L. Hinman Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-83865485323177727852008-07-29T12:39:00.000-07:002008-07-29T12:39:00.000-07:00D Walters said..."for which theology you should st...D Walters said...<BR/>"for which theology you should study, study the one you think is most sophisticated, rigorous and relevant to the totality of human experience."<BR/><BR/>There are so many of those known, dead and unknown religions and you need to study long time for many of them to know which one if any really explain things. A new religion is formed every week! And why would the most Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-84120258475762540912008-07-29T12:35:00.000-07:002008-07-29T12:35:00.000-07:00"But a funny thing happens when i confront atheist...<B>"But a funny thing happens when i confront atheist with the evidence. they just don't like."</B><BR/><BR/>Amongst a jury of peers, not all see the evidence in the same way, and that is not necessarily the fault of the presenter or the receiver of said evidence.<BR/><BR/>Maybe God, if he exists, is still preparing that person to understand the truth you present.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-80464107126957730902008-07-29T12:31:00.000-07:002008-07-29T12:31:00.000-07:00http://www.doxa.ws/the home of solid evidencehttp://www.doxa.ws/<BR/><BR/>the home of solid evidenceJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-7443396358195725962008-07-29T12:30:00.000-07:002008-07-29T12:30:00.000-07:00Abraham wrote "Proponents of divine revelation nee...Abraham wrote "Proponents of divine revelation need to advance in some detail the particular claims they think are secured". It is not like people have not tried this, but these mutually exclusive Christian/Muslim/Mormon faith based claims seem to just stay as claims. Presenting solid evidence is what is need.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>of course tons of solid evidence has been presented everyday on Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-32707971464071790352008-07-29T12:28:00.000-07:002008-07-29T12:28:00.000-07:00Turner claims that atheist are intellectually unde...Turner claims that atheist are intellectually under-weight and writes "what a Flew or a Dawkins tells us does not exist". Turner has obviously not even bothered to read Dawkins' books or listen to his lectures. If he Turner had he would know that Dawkins describes himself as a 6.9 point atheist and often explain his reasons why he thinks it is highly impropable that a god exists. (Flew changed Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-972418335819145092008-07-29T12:25:00.000-07:002008-07-29T12:25:00.000-07:00Very interesting thoughts. I've been trying to fig...Very interesting thoughts. I've been trying to figure out just what 'apologetics' is and isn't. I'd appreciate more thoughts on this topic, if you care to post them.<BR/><BR/>Btw, the man quoted again in comment #2 sounds like he's found a worthy challenge to lay down. I echo the commenter. He should do it...<BR/><BR/><B>William J. Abraham ("Billy") My old professor at Perkins and erstwhile Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-78015104025693882952008-07-29T04:47:00.000-07:002008-07-29T04:47:00.000-07:00JD Walters said..."for which theology you should s...JD Walters said...<BR/>"for which theology you should study, study the one you think is most sophisticated, rigorous and relevant to the totality of human experience."<BR/><BR/>There are so many of those known, dead and unknown religions and you need to study long time for many of them to know which one if any really explain things. A new religion is formed every week! And why would the most Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-56015707305862376622008-07-28T19:42:00.000-07:002008-07-28T19:42:00.000-07:00Peter,Turner is well aware of Dawkins' arguments a...Peter,<BR/><BR/>Turner is well aware of Dawkins' arguments and what kind of God he thinks doesn't exist. I was quoting from a very short chapter in an edited volume on the future of religious studies. When he refers to Flew he is talking about the earlier, atheistic Flew who wrote on the burden of proof, etc. <BR/><BR/>As for which theology you should study, study the one you think is most Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-54242882208811671572008-07-28T19:36:00.000-07:002008-07-28T19:36:00.000-07:00Pink unicorns do live in Antarctica! They do I tel...Pink unicorns <B>do</B> live in Antarctica! They do I tell you!Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-89772763732620852622008-07-28T19:22:00.000-07:002008-07-28T19:22:00.000-07:00Jason, atheism is a negative position, so they can...Jason, atheism is a negative position, so they can not make positive proof. However if you talk to humanists or scientists they will tell about their beliefs and will cite evidence why they believe what they believe. They will usually also accept the burden of proof if they make the claim. Atheist don't have to prove the negative, just like Christians don't need to start providing evidence that Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-60892965905154404052008-07-28T19:18:00.000-07:002008-07-28T19:18:00.000-07:00Turner claims that atheist are intellectually unde...Turner claims that atheist are intellectually under-weight and writes "what a Flew or a Dawkins tells us does not exist". Turner has obviously not even bothered to read Dawkins' books or listen to his lectures. If he Turner had he would know that Dawkins describes himself as a 6.9 point atheist and often explain his reasons why he thinks it is highly impropable that a god exists. (Flew changed Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-27497472867763719952008-07-28T16:11:00.000-07:002008-07-28T16:11:00.000-07:00The intellectually lazy neo-atheists are annoying....The intellectually lazy neo-atheists are annoying. They never make any positive arguments for their beliefs, preferring to dishonestly pass the burden of proof on to theists (and responding to theists' arguments with little more than "nuh-uh!"). When these atheists <I>do</I> make arguments, they resort to making grossly exaggerated negative arguments against theism and using vicious slurs Jay McHuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01708225059286944653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-57180537207537231042008-07-28T15:56:00.000-07:002008-07-28T15:56:00.000-07:00Very interesting thoughts. I've been trying to fi...Very interesting thoughts. I've been trying to figure out just what 'apologetics' is and isn't. I'd appreciate more thoughts on this topic, if you care to post them.<BR/><BR/>Btw, the man quoted again in comment #2 sounds like he's found a worthy challenge to lay down. I echo the commenter. He should do it...Bill Heromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-70955623334777329372008-07-28T13:56:00.000-07:002008-07-28T13:56:00.000-07:00William J. Abraham has issued a similar challenge ...William J. Abraham has issued a similar challenge to religious scholars:<BR/><BR/>"We need more than armchair possibilities and thought experiments; we need actual claims advanced in some detail and with some care...Proponents of divine revelation need to advance in some detail the particular claims they think are secured, the relevant epistemic considerations they deem appropriate, the precise Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-35941914759752006342008-07-28T13:02:00.000-07:002008-07-28T13:02:00.000-07:00I need to shut off my computer and read some of th...I need to shut off my computer and read some of these books. ;-)Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.com