tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post8662458153554551697..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Bad SantaBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-68175771155830225452009-10-24T08:17:26.115-07:002009-10-24T08:17:26.115-07:00(comment continued)
Seriously, I have seen better ...(comment continued)<br />Seriously, I have seen better comparisons between Lincoln and Kennedy in my e-mail than this. You know the type: <br /><br />Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846 while Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946<br /> <br />Lincoln was elected President in 1860 while Kennedy was elected President in 1960.<br /> <br />Lincoln's wife lost a child while living in the BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-40220448507905710262009-10-24T08:17:07.369-07:002009-10-24T08:17:07.369-07:00Peter and Anon,
I did answer Anon, but apparently...Peter and Anon,<br /><br />I did answer Anon, but apparently Peter didn't see how my short response already did answer Anon, let me elaborate.<br /><br />I think that the problem is that the comparisons hardly prove the point. Pointing out that there are vague similarities between the accounts of the historical Jesus with accompanying belief that he is God and belief in Santa Claus as a BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-3900679418076410622009-10-20T10:56:37.560-07:002009-10-20T10:56:37.560-07:00I think the flaw in a Santa-Jesus comparision is w...I think the flaw in a Santa-Jesus comparision is what I call a false class analogy. Read the following sentence and tell me what's wrong with it:<br /><br />"No, of course I don't believe in the Moon Landings, in the same way I don't believe in Roswell or the canals on Mars."<br /><br />The problem is that Roswell and Mars canals are not in the same category as the Moon Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-26492370151920096482009-10-20T01:03:52.247-07:002009-10-20T01:03:52.247-07:00Peter,
Hmmmm, well lets see. I said, "JD cov...Peter,<br /><br />Hmmmm, well lets see. I said, "JD covered them all in his post. Respond to his arguments, or be quiet." <br /><br />That's the way it is. All anon does is repeat the very argument that JD is addressing, and assure us it is indeed valid. Well and well then. But it means either anon is unable to read or anon is unable to form a coherent response. In either case,Dereknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-45268673675103226342009-10-19T22:39:19.954-07:002009-10-19T22:39:19.954-07:00Derek said to anon
"You do not deserve a good...Derek said to anon<br /><i>"You do not deserve a good answer"</i><br />LOL, how about at least a bad answer ;-)<br />But I do remember reading something like never give an answer to anyone who asks you (1 Peter 3:15 ?) or something like that.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-12692597956544402462009-10-19T16:23:59.446-07:002009-10-19T16:23:59.446-07:00"Common folk" anon? How unbelievably el..."Common folk" anon? How unbelievably elitist and chronologically snobberish of you. You do not deserve a good answer. JD covered them all in his post. Respond to his arguments, or be quiet.Dereknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-90608284911069125602009-10-18T17:28:59.578-07:002009-10-18T17:28:59.578-07:00JD Walters,
I think Anonymous deserves a serious ...JD Walters,<br /><br />I think Anonymous deserves a serious answer. Consider his perspective:<br /><br />Historical characters:<br />Jesus of Nazareth ~ Nicholas of Myra<br /><br />Both have amazing stories, even post mortem adventures:<br />Jesus Christ ~ Saint Nicholas<br /><br />Both have competing characters/stories:<br />Arian/Nestorian/Marcion Jesus ~ Basil of Caesarea<br /><br />Continuos Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636524117308077140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-9240344415580170762009-10-17T23:26:50.822-07:002009-10-17T23:26:50.822-07:00Apistos,
You don't understand. We did not sta...Apistos,<br /><br />You don't understand. We did not start by believing in Santa Claus, then after finding there is no credible evidence for his existence, conclude that he must be a human invention. Rather, no intelligent adult has ever even suspected that Santa Claus is real because everyone knows that he was a fictional character from the beginning. I'll repeat: Santa Claus has NEVER Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-2911685109119377812009-10-17T21:21:13.365-07:002009-10-17T21:21:13.365-07:00Anonymous,
Obviously, you are kidding. After all,...Anonymous,<br /><br />Obviously, you are kidding. After all, if you generalize enough, you can compare any two things. And your comparisons are so general as to be absurd.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-36402893308466911762009-10-17T20:33:04.231-07:002009-10-17T20:33:04.231-07:00I think it's perfectly comparable:
- Largely ...I think it's perfectly comparable:<br /><br />- Largely mythical figure with loose ties to a historical character<br /><br />- Legend mutates according to current state of society<br /><br />- Descriptions of magical powers that were seen in the past by the common folk<br /><br />- Said magical powers said to be still in existence, though not available for scrutiny<br /><br />- Everyday, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-9877039095190678032009-10-17T14:46:59.478-07:002009-10-17T14:46:59.478-07:00JD,
I think you correctly identify the context in...JD,<br /><br />I think you correctly identify the context in which an intelligent atheist might make an analogy between Santa Clause and God in your first sentence, though I realize that the comparison might be made in other, less appropriate, contexts as well. I have often seen theists (including one of the contributors on this blog) make the argument that one cannot be an atheist unless one Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-85294045577764590572009-10-17T08:11:50.245-07:002009-10-17T08:11:50.245-07:00The Santa Claus comparison is surely not a serious...The Santa Claus comparison is surely not a serious argument of any value.<br /><br />But I always considered Santa Claus to function as training wheels for adult belief in God. Note the similarities:<br /><br />He judges who is naughty and nice.<br /><br />He knows everything that you do.<br /><br />He gives presents to the nice and gives coal or brimstone (each implying fire) to the naughty.<brPaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-73992613577575092342009-10-17T06:45:34.621-07:002009-10-17T06:45:34.621-07:00Yes, good point.Yes, good point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-42414973356999489942009-10-17T06:01:14.330-07:002009-10-17T06:01:14.330-07:00“There are supernatural creatures which might bett...“There are supernatural creatures which might better serve the atheists' intended analogy of a being in whom many people believe but for whose existence we lack sufficient evidence, such as fairies or djinns, but none of them remotely compare to the concept of God as a metaphysical postulate.”<br /><br />Actually, I think that’s a good place to draw another distinction. For example, suppose stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.com