Comments on CADRE Comments: Does God Say, "Believe or Go to Hell"?

The resident Calvinist is back :)Free will means t...

2008-10-15T11:34:00.000-07:00

The resident Calvinist is back :)

Free will means that we are free to choose what we WANT to choose. It does not mean, as many hold, that a sinner, dead in trespasses, has the ability to change his own wicked heart and turn to Christ. That requires new birth.

As far as how that relates to predestination, those who will be redeemed have been predestined to do so, for "God’s

Strictly speaking, Joe, you did say he'll end up t...

2008-10-13T05:19:00.000-07:00

Strictly speaking, Joe, you did say he'll end up there. ("Don't worry, you will.")

{g}

JRP

If you don't believe in hell, then why did you say...

2008-10-12T16:46:00.000-07:00

If you don't believe in hell, then why did you say that I'll end up there?

No you are confused. I did not say you would end up there. You said "I would rather go to hell than worship God" I said "have fun." obviously you take it seriously and want to be there. You would rather go to hell than be loved and be with the source of all goodness, that's pretty silly but whatever. That

If you don't believe in hell, then why did you say...

2008-10-12T11:29:00.000-07:00
If you don't believe in hell, then why did you say that I'll end up there?

And yes, the Grand Commission is a command to convert everyone on the planet. As long as I'm alive, you will not succeed.

Yes, and I'm sure you'll enjoy watching me--and bi...

2008-10-12T11:11:00.000-07:00
Yes, and I'm sure you'll enjoy watching me--and billions of others--burn forever from your seat in heaven.

By the way, you might wanna crack open a bible and look at the Grand Commission.

you just said you wanted it.

I don't believe in hell, you do. btw the "grand commission" (tha's a canyon in Arizona) does not say I have to try to convince people who don't want God

Yes, and I'm sure you'll enjoy watching me--and bi...

2008-10-12T10:21:00.000-07:00
Yes, and I'm sure you'll enjoy watching me--and billions of others--burn forever from your seat in heaven.

By the way, you might wanna crack open a bible and look at the Grand Commission.

All of this garbage is utterly irrelevant. I would...

2008-10-11T19:42:00.000-07:00
All of this garbage is utterly irrelevant. I would rather burn in hell for all eternity than follow your god for a nanosecond. Do I make myself clear?

don't worry, you will. have fun

All of this garbage is utterly irrelevant. I woul...

2008-10-11T19:40:00.000-07:00
All of this garbage is utterly irrelevant. I would rather burn in hell for all eternity than follow your god for a nanosecond. Do I make myself clear?

Ok, I re-read it many times and thought that it mu...

2008-10-11T08:36:00.000-07:00
Ok, I re-read it many times and thought that it must have been an error, that's why I mentioned it.

{{You totally lost me there. Free will means you h...

2008-10-11T08:31:00.000-07:00
{{You totally lost me there. Free will means you have to follow a predetermined path?}}

Obviously a composition blip, Mike: contextually, Bill means "A lack of free will" or "No free will," or something of that sort.

I'll let Bill handle the other crits. {universalistic g!}

JRP

So the choice is: live a perfect life, which is im...

2008-10-11T08:13:00.000-07:00
So the choice is: live a perfect life, which is impossible, truly believe in Jesus, or continue on your path to hell.

"Free will means that the person has been determined and does not have the ability to act independent of the predetermined course."

You totally lost me there. Free will means you have to follow a predetermined path?

Can we agree that the