tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post857513325548242529..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Relevance is Where You Find it: I don't find it in Hector Avalos's "End of Biblical Studies."BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-43462443649492314882008-01-29T09:49:00.000-08:002008-01-29T09:49:00.000-08:00That's a good link; thanks John.JRPThat's a good link; thanks John.<BR/><BR/>JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-67077488389514224732008-01-28T20:08:00.000-08:002008-01-28T20:08:00.000-08:00Jason, if you haven't read Dr. Avalos' book yet yo...Jason, if you haven't read Dr. Avalos' book yet you can take a look at the TOC and some excerpts <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/01/pages-from-dr-hector-avalos-book-end-of.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25315416814457077462008-01-28T15:03:00.000-08:002008-01-28T15:03:00.000-08:00Joe,Focused temper, son. When you get angry you st...Joe,<BR/><BR/>Focused temper, son. When <I>you</I> get angry you start to rant. This is not expedient. {s}<BR/><BR/><BR/>Steven,<BR/><BR/>{{Avalos is looking pretty dumb now with his claim that the Bible is irrelevant.}}<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, Joe’s main charge is that Avalos is a wooden-headed cretin whose treatment of the literary aspects of scripture demonstrates that he would be just as Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-91354578534927623772008-01-28T12:59:00.000-08:002008-01-28T12:59:00.000-08:00Temper, Joe. And don't demand a debate match, or a...Temper, Joe. And don't demand a debate match, or accuse him of chickening out.<BR/><BR/>JRP<BR/><BR/><BR/>awww can't a thumb em, just a bit maw? you guys never let me have no fun!Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-19270696199093799832008-01-28T12:57:00.000-08:002008-01-28T12:57:00.000-08:00Jesus symbolically reconstituted the 12 tribes of ...Jesus symbolically reconstituted the 12 tribes of Israel by appointing 12 disciples.<BR/><BR/>You can't get more relevant than that to the 21st century.<BR/><BR/>And the book of Revelation tells us there will be a city of gold, with 12 foundation layers of stone, each with the name of a apostles on it, together with 12 angels.<BR/><BR/>Avalos is looking pretty dumb now with his claim that the Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-49811946918822058152008-01-28T12:54:00.000-08:002008-01-28T12:54:00.000-08:00Where is Hector? I want Hector!He said since your ...Where is Hector? I want Hector!<BR/><BR/>He said since your blog looks a bit more civil than others he may respond.<BR/><BR/>If you keep it civil he may come! ;-)<BR/><BR/>Cheers.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>I'm always civil</B>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-32818249539035920722008-01-28T12:53:00.000-08:002008-01-28T12:53:00.000-08:00Jesus symbolically reconstituted the 12 tribes of ...Jesus symbolically reconstituted the 12 tribes of Israel by appointing 12 disciples.<BR/><BR/>You can't get more relevant than that to the 21st century.<BR/><BR/>And the book of Revelation tells us there will be a city of gold, with 12 foundation layers of stone, each with the name of a apostles on it, together with 12 angels.<BR/><BR/>Avalos is looking pretty dumb now with his claim that the Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-33447574504966449082008-01-28T10:02:00.000-08:002008-01-28T10:02:00.000-08:00Temper, Joe. And don't demand a debate match, or a...Temper, Joe. And don't <I>demand</I> a debate match, or accuse him of chickening out.<BR/><BR/>JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-88689904064751966352008-01-28T09:51:00.000-08:002008-01-28T09:51:00.000-08:00Where is Hector? I want Hector!He said since your ...<I>Where is Hector? I want Hector!</I><BR/><BR/>He said since your blog looks a bit more civil than others he may respond.<BR/><BR/>If you keep it civil he may come! ;-)<BR/><BR/>Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-89059885196457349402008-01-28T08:54:00.000-08:002008-01-28T08:54:00.000-08:00The Bible is very complex. We will see in my next ...The Bible is very complex. We will see in my next installment how it is far from a simple matter of a bunch of statements or rules. This game of demanding a bunch of rules or statements and that decides its relevance is just utterly absurd. its' reducing the complexity to such utterly simplistic dimensions it's ridiculous that a person who has been to graduate school would think this way.<BR/><BRJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-14811981609920584072008-01-28T08:42:00.000-08:002008-01-28T08:42:00.000-08:00No Hector said he would consider me debating me if...No Hector said he would consider me debating me if I read this book. I read it, I want a debate! I really do expect him to worm out. But I read the book, now let's have the debate!Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-38793065664022089712008-01-28T08:38:00.000-08:002008-01-28T08:38:00.000-08:00ohn W. Loftus said... Joe, are YOU or what you ...ohn W. Loftus said...<BR/><BR/> Joe, are YOU or what you wrote here relevant? <BR/><BR/><B>where is Hector? I want Hector!<BR/><BR/>can't he defend his own stuff?</B><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>You said, Relevance is where you find it, and if we find the Bible to be relevant then it is so.<BR/><BR/>I too find the Bible to be irrelevant to the needs of modern people.<BR/><BR/><B>I'm sure that yourJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-12454559755743919932008-01-28T05:48:00.000-08:002008-01-28T05:48:00.000-08:00Joe, are YOU or what you wrote here relevant? You ...Joe, are YOU or what you wrote here relevant? You said, <I>Relevance is where you find it, and if we find the Bible to be relevant then it is so.</I><BR/><BR/>I too find the Bible to be irrelevant to the needs of modern people. Now of course this hinges on the truth, i.e. what we think about the Bible, and that's a matter for debate.<BR/><BR/>The cases you cite show nothing. Within every society,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-8841759110139247252008-01-27T10:56:00.000-08:002008-01-27T10:56:00.000-08:00Also, how can he claim that the findings of biblic...Also, how can he claim that the findings of biblical scholarship have demonstrated the Bible's irrelevance (and lack of historicity) while at the same time alleging that the methods and conclusions of the various sub-disciplines of biblical scholarship are 'philosophically flawed'? It follows that the conclusion that the Bible is irrelevant is philosophically flawed.<BR/><BR/><B>excellent point</Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-76004186995320745292008-01-26T23:43:00.000-08:002008-01-26T23:43:00.000-08:00Excellent comments, Meta. Another problem I had wi...Excellent comments, Meta. Another problem I had with his definition of 'relevance' is that it's very limited and reductionist. He tries to reduce the Bible's influence to individual practices and concepts which we either do or do not find relevant or ethical in the modern world. He has no grasp of how the Bible has functioned in Western civilization, not only or even primarily as a source of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com