tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post8533832800847794575..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: God, the perfectionistBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-58475156363761126262010-08-18T21:43:12.530-07:002010-08-18T21:43:12.530-07:00I don't get it. When did you think someone sai...I don't get it. When did you think someone said ethics is separated from reason and logic? <br /><br />Take care & God bless<br />Anne / WFWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-5518355276821389022010-08-18T06:48:48.344-07:002010-08-18T06:48:48.344-07:00There's a time to emote and a time to reason.There's a time to emote and a time to reason.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-41772629387090272402010-08-18T06:48:31.121-07:002010-08-18T06:48:31.121-07:00sorry guys. the idea that ethics is just little fe...sorry guys. the idea that ethics is just little feeling thing that has nothing do with reason and logic is just an excuse not to think. what are you complaining about tin the first place, that Reinhold Niebuhr isn't touchy feely enough?<br /><br />Love and grace are great, but they not ethics. Love is the background of the moral universe, it has a place in ethics, even in academic ethics. ButJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-81043933542137466342010-08-17T21:02:08.755-07:002010-08-17T21:02:08.755-07:00Christian ethics is a different animal, to be sure...Christian ethics is a different animal, to be sure. <br /><br />In theory, in any ethical system, who should be at the highest rung of ethics, just hypothetically? Would it be the ethics police? The ethics instructors? People who live ethically (by the rules)? But on a Christian view the craftsmen and skilled artists are towards the top, because they increase the objective amount of good in this Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-86105276267388312902010-08-17T18:24:51.724-07:002010-08-17T18:24:51.724-07:00Good comments. I'm with Weekend Fisher here a...Good comments. I'm with Weekend Fisher here and am not one for systematic ethics. I think ethics has to open to the love and grace of God rather than just being something purely deduced from any group of texts (whether it be the Bible alone or the Bible plus Church tradition). I think I'm kind of on a different page from you, Metacrock, but I'll leave the conversation here. Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904551242524278438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-54803078760810546462010-08-17T12:17:42.581-07:002010-08-17T12:17:42.581-07:00"for those who like the academic approach to ..."for those who like the academic approach to things); you can't have "right v. wrong" ethics unless there's already an assumption about what is good."<br /><br /><b>exactly, that's what I called "meta ethical theory." One way of understanding meta ethical theory is through my own which, whic for obvious reasons I call "meta ethics" (little pun Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-15079320221931167062010-08-17T12:14:32.132-07:002010-08-17T12:14:32.132-07:00To answer your second point, I should elaborate mo...To answer your second point, I should elaborate more about what I think ethics is. I see traditional ethics as defining principles, let's say from the Bible or some other text like Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics. You take a principle like, 'one ought to have courage' and apply it in a rule such as, 'When I am with friends I need to talk more courageously.' This rule in Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-34753679102501450432010-08-17T10:31:12.071-07:002010-08-17T10:31:12.071-07:00Hope you all don't mind an extra commenter her...Hope you all don't mind an extra commenter here. <br /><br />I think the foundation of all Christian ethics is this: "God saw what was made, and it was very good" (paraphrase). The "right v. wrong" type of ethics is likely to be capricious unless it is grounded in things intrinsic to existence (ontology, for those who like the academic approach to things); you can't Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-8592707775174203652010-08-16T10:52:34.568-07:002010-08-16T10:52:34.568-07:00Metacrock,
Thanks for the comment and the book re...Metacrock,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment and the book recommendations. To answer your first point let me just say that I am open to Christian thinkers outside the Bible. It's just that from my readings so far I haven't found very many answers. <br /><br />To answer your second point, I should elaborate more about what I think ethics is. I see traditional ethics as defining Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904551242524278438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-21513124849499050512010-08-16T09:19:30.950-07:002010-08-16T09:19:30.950-07:00two things I see wrong with your understanding of ...two things I see wrong with your understanding of ethics, Ron.<br /><br />(1) you seem to think that Christian thought is limited tot he Bible. I know you don't think that because do you mention some theological works, but then you are ignoring a lot of work of Christian ethicists. For example you mention Bonehoffer's work but he has a whole book on the end of those criticism and what he Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25248251983501253162010-08-15T19:29:57.066-07:002010-08-15T19:29:57.066-07:00Ethics from a Christian perspective has always bot...Ethics from a Christian perspective has always bothered me. Catholic biblical scholar Luke Timothy Johnson once said that the biggest challenge from a Christian perspective compared to other religions is that of ethics. In Islam and Judaism for example you have a set law that you must follow. In Christianity, you have Paul saying a bunch of strange things about living in the Spirit, working Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904551242524278438noreply@blogger.com