tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post8399701616843094634..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Justice Delayed -- A James Ossuary UpdateBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-77175824727862914512008-10-31T10:18:00.000-07:002008-10-31T10:18:00.000-07:00Here's an update as of October 30, 2008...http://w...Here's an update as of October 30, 2008...<BR/><BR/>http://www.bib-arch.org/news/forgery-trial-news.asp<BR/><BR/>I short the article states the inscription was not a forgery.<BR/><BR/>The government’s star witness, Yuval Goren, former chairman of Tel Aviv University’s institute of archaeology, was forced to admit on cross-examination that <B>there is original ancient patina in the word “Jesus,” Chris Simeonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155310335617849983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-3187944396746868882008-04-09T09:03:00.000-07:002008-04-09T09:03:00.000-07:00Slav,Sorry for the delay. Massive project was bein...Slav,<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the delay. Massive project was being finished <A HREF="http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2008/04/king-of-stories-harmonization-index.html" REL="nofollow">elsewhere.</A><BR/><BR/>{{We shouldn't ask of those objects something that wasn't yet either a duty or a desire in those times.}}<BR/><BR/>Certainly not; and yet we manage to draw conclusions about them from which Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-58601772920657599472008-04-05T21:21:00.000-07:002008-04-05T21:21:00.000-07:00Thanks for the correction and the link. I missed ...Thanks for the correction and the link. I missed the 60 minutes interview.Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-21709135509051458692008-04-05T14:26:00.000-07:002008-04-05T14:26:00.000-07:00FYI: You said one of the defendants is "Raymond D...FYI: You said one of the defendants is <I>"Raymond Deutsch"</I>, but his actual name is Robert.<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised you didn't mention the recent report on the TV show "60 Minutes", which attempted to link the forgery of the James Ossuary to the forgery of the Joash Tablet via an Egyptian. In what I believe to have been a staged undercover interview, he claims to have forged inscriptions forG.M. Grenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715203546886901296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-47249507167789311382008-03-29T08:28:00.000-07:002008-03-29T08:28:00.000-07:00It is has been eye-opening just to see how the Isr...It is has been eye-opening just to see how the Israeli criminal justice system works.Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-32236621943997722292008-03-29T02:34:00.000-07:002008-03-29T02:34:00.000-07:00It is amazing that this trial has taken so long.It is amazing that this trial has taken so long.Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-21270070117689045152008-03-28T16:34:00.000-07:002008-03-28T16:34:00.000-07:00Yes, provenance is the word I meant."its omission ...Yes, provenance is the word I meant.<BR/><BR/>"its omission could in principle be outweighed by superiority of other factors, couldn't it?"<BR/><BR/>You cite, as an example, objects that were procured through less then Modern methods in the past. We shouldn't ask of those objects something that wasn't yet either a duty or a desire in those times. But the ossuary isn't one of those objects. As slaveofonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493574936843969520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-27591549534107960802008-03-28T13:28:00.000-07:002008-03-28T13:28:00.000-07:00Slav,I'm a bit fuzzy on why I would have an indivi...Slav,<BR/><BR/>I'm a bit fuzzy on why I would have an individual opinion that both the ossuary and the inscription (in its parts) are authentic, that wasn't based on an evidential argument. A lack of clear provenance (I recall that it's provenance, not providence, btw) is certainly a serious problem, but while it's an important component of an evidential argument it isn't the only component and Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-58287984639769800542008-03-28T11:50:00.000-07:002008-03-28T11:50:00.000-07:00SOO,I think many agree with you. However, in my o...SOO,<BR/><BR/>I think many agree with you. However, in my opinion, the "non-providence" goes to the weight of the evidence rather than its admissibility.Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-60295475928457435392008-03-28T11:14:00.000-07:002008-03-28T11:14:00.000-07:00The real problem was and continues to be the non-p...The real problem was and continues to be the non-providence of the artifact. Excavation, a primary component of archeology, cannot be done in the antiquities market, only in the field. In my judgment, while this allows for individual opinion on an object, it disallows for using that opinion as the basis of any kind of evidential argument or scientific conclusion. Thus, I may think that both slaveofonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493574936843969520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-30790149303168115362008-03-27T05:15:00.000-07:002008-03-27T05:15:00.000-07:00Interesting Chris; thanks for the update!JRPInteresting Chris; thanks for the update!<BR/><BR/>JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.com