tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post7356876277841875780..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: The 'objective' morality of P.Z. MyersBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-82476326700273730852012-08-27T08:19:53.191-07:002012-08-27T08:19:53.191-07:00Ethics is knowing the difference between what you ...Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do.<br /><br />Anti Money Launderinghttp://aml-assassin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-71331243596052692782012-07-31T21:46:27.764-07:002012-07-31T21:46:27.764-07:00I don't think the existence of ethics is a pro...I don't think the existence of ethics is a problem for secularists/atheists <i>per se</i>. <br /><br />Aristotle's <i>Nichomachean Ethics</i> work without gods if you drop the bizarre argument about the gods existing in perpetual contemplation in Book X -- an argument I can't see really appealing to anybody anymore.<br /><br />Ethics becomes a problem for atheists only when they James M. Jensen IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424548803826283101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-40221522496067878522012-07-03T07:58:05.802-07:002012-07-03T07:58:05.802-07:00I'm not sure it would change his argument, bec...I'm not sure it would change <i>his</i> argument, because I just think he isn't clear on the issues. He might even say this is silly hair-splitting and bring out some kind of courtier's reply. :)Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-34705627065082367312012-07-01T15:18:40.099-07:002012-07-01T15:18:40.099-07:00Kewl. {g}
Although as you note, that would rather...Kewl. {g}<br /><br />Although as you note, that would rather change the argument (and thus also criticism for the argument if any).<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-32932490543204164922012-07-01T09:25:16.202-07:002012-07-01T09:25:16.202-07:00Jason hi thanks for the note.
Frankly I don't...Jason hi thanks for the note.<br /><br />Frankly I don't think PZ has thought it through, and is likely confused. It would take a lot of work to turn PZ's stuff into something workable: I would likely start from scratch if I thought this approach had promise.<br /><br />By 'charitable' I stretched it to mean 'likely what he didn't even mean to be saying, but we could help Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-78999107926288113472012-06-30T12:19:55.470-07:002012-06-30T12:19:55.470-07:00Hey BDK! Nice to see you here!
Would you say that...Hey BDK! Nice to see you here!<br /><br />Would you say that this interpretation fits the data of how PZM proceeds, as provided in examples by JD in the article?<br /><br />Or alternately that JD has significantly underrepresented how PZM proceeds on the topic, such that in context the evidence given by JD is of negligible importance and perhaps even misleading to PZM's actual approach?<br />Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-46575869369594452882012-06-30T09:50:13.985-07:002012-06-30T09:50:13.985-07:00By 'objective' he could mean epistemically...By 'objective' he could mean epistemically objective, in that there is a set of rules, based partly on psychological factors, that will yield the same answer for everyone. So in that sense it isn't merely subjective anything goes morality, even if it is based on psychological, biological, epistemic considerations.<br /><br />I'm not defending his particular stance here, just Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-57155174210809992622012-06-28T17:44:22.743-07:002012-06-28T17:44:22.743-07:00I don't think we require absolutely "obje...I don't think we require absolutely "objective" morality in order to live peaceful and productive lives, and neither is the notion of "objective morality" to be confused with decisions to make and enforce certain "laws." Morality seems to start, as most things do, with basic biological, sociological, psychological recognitions. Like admitting that it's betterEdwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-68645450440257980662012-06-23T07:32:53.191-07:002012-06-23T07:32:53.191-07:00I am beginning to suspect that PZ Myers may actual...I am beginning to suspect that PZ Myers may actually be the god Dionysius. This is not intended as flattery: he's kind of like one of those Grecan deities in the Star Trek episode, where Spock is forced to kiss a girl. Am working on details.David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-5180315139596311032012-06-21T07:53:09.826-07:002012-06-21T07:53:09.826-07:00I am with you until you say
That didn't work ...I am with you until you say<br /><br />That didn't work out so well in Germany in the late 30s. <br /><br />I am guessing that P.Z. Meyers would point out that the Nazi criminals did not use "influence" but violence and threats of violence to impose their will. <br /><br />I learned something from your piece. Thanks.<br /><br />Clark EcholsClark Echolshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00011646083651176955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-76850716773414754422012-06-21T05:59:35.667-07:002012-06-21T05:59:35.667-07:00Hi Jeff! {wave} {g}
Jeff's a good guy, JD, if...Hi Jeff! {wave} {g}<br /><br />Jeff's a good guy, JD, if you haven't met him before. Very much worth exchanging posts with if you have the time.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-9951863911009667372012-06-20T18:27:50.409-07:002012-06-20T18:27:50.409-07:00FWIW, I criticized P.Z. Myers's post on my blo...FWIW, <a href="http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2012/06/how-not-to-debate-moral-argument-reply.html" rel="nofollow">I criticized P.Z. Myers's post on my blog</a>.Secular Outposthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289884295542007401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-65537712431090755732012-06-07T10:30:56.684-07:002012-06-07T10:30:56.684-07:00Heh. This reminds me I never did get around to wri...Heh. This reminds me I never did get around to writing a Part 2 to <a href="http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2009/11/part-1-of-wolfenism-and-its-aspirations.html" rel="nofollow">"Wolfenism And Its Aspirations! (probably not subject to change)"</a>. {g}<br /><br />Good article, JD.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.com