tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post6783953274010115093..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: The Cult-like Culture of AtheismBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-75741410585652450652007-11-14T07:14:00.000-08:002007-11-14T07:14:00.000-08:00Note, I deleted the comment two comments above (to...Note, I deleted the comment two comments above (to which J.L. Hinman is responding) because it contained profanity.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-11048786363955480562007-11-13T21:13:00.000-08:002007-11-13T21:13:00.000-08:00anon you are a fool. a childish little fool. cults...anon you are a fool. a childish little fool. cults don't have to be religious, stupid! <BR/><BR/>atheism functions as functions as functions as are you too stupid to understand that concept?<BR/><BR/>hermit?Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-11120164330682246272007-11-13T19:33:00.000-08:002007-11-13T19:33:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-3336678825994941792007-11-13T16:42:00.000-08:002007-11-13T16:42:00.000-08:00bk,No thanks. I've heard enough what atheists say ...bk,<BR/><BR/><I>No thanks. I've heard enough what atheists say here on the Internet.</I><BR/>ok, I undertand, but if you ever change you ever mind...<BR/><BR/>People in the Internet don't behave like in the real world. I have been called ignorant several times by a CADRE member because of my views, but I'm sure that person is a nice guy and would not repeatedly call me ignorant face to face. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-57596408330633079992007-11-13T03:42:00.000-08:002007-11-13T03:42:00.000-08:00Loftus,I didn't read what you wrote (I never follo...Loftus,<BR/><BR/>I didn't read what you wrote (I never follow your links) so I won't comment on that. When you say, "Does CADRE like what Harris and I said, or not?", I can answer for me in this way: I like that Harris is recognizing that atheists can act in cult-like ways because it shows he hasn't completely lost touch with reality.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-7392285159501441092007-11-13T03:38:00.000-08:002007-11-13T03:38:00.000-08:00Anon,You should try to attend one of the local mee...Anon,<BR/><BR/><EM>You should try to attend one of the local meetings. </EM><BR/><BR/>No thanks. I've heard enough what atheists say here on the Internet. <BR/><BR/>The rest of your post I will leave as your last word on the discussion.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-65046544061048040072007-11-12T11:34:00.000-08:002007-11-12T11:34:00.000-08:00John,Even if you are not setting up a false dichot...John,<BR/><BR/>Even if you are not setting up a false dichotomy here, the CADRE can have it as many ways as it has members on these kinds of issues. As you note, we can disagree with each other on this issue, and on most others. Just as, I assume, can you guys at Debunking Christianity. <BR/><BR/>Our joint tenants are rather few. They include the Nicene Creed and some blogging and website Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-61385239650440184082007-11-12T07:32:00.000-08:002007-11-12T07:32:00.000-08:00Atheists are as different as people, and that's th...Atheists are as different as people, and that's that. I am in agreement with Harris. That's why I describe myself as a <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-am-freethinker-first-and-atheist.html" REL="nofollow">freethinker first and an atheist second</A>. In this link you'll see where Layman doesn't like my position, either. So which is it? Does CADRE like what Harris and IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-20492663460306980392007-11-12T03:45:00.000-08:002007-11-12T03:45:00.000-08:00leslie,You seem to continuosly repeat:there is no ...leslie,<BR/><BR/>You seem to continuosly repeat:<BR/><I>there is no objective morality without God</I><BR/>Then please refute my example I gave you about morality based on UN human right declaration. If you are right you will have not problem proving me wrong. Otherwise please stop repeating your claim.<BR/><BR/><I>if a large portion of your community is giving off a bad persona, you should deal Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-47501256333771858552007-11-11T23:48:00.000-08:002007-11-11T23:48:00.000-08:00Anonymous,How about coming up with a name? You hav...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>How about coming up with a name? You have apparently been posting on several of our blog entries, and I think it would be helpful to start letting people know that there aren't 10 or 12 different people posting separate comments.<BR/><BR/>You say:<BR/><BR/><EM>As an atheist I can see Harris' point, but a lot of people would argue the meaning of the word "cult". Most religious BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-59488626993033009882007-11-11T23:15:00.000-08:002007-11-11T23:15:00.000-08:00SlaveofOne,I respectfully disagree. There are not ...SlaveofOne,<BR/><BR/>I respectfully disagree. There are not a thousand different ways to interpret the moral codes of the Bible. Yes, there are differences in some of the details, but it is simply overstatement to say "every Christian who looks at the 'Word of God' will have their own understanding of what it is saying." If that were true (and I don't believe for a second it is), then you would BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-62526324622800198352007-11-11T22:49:00.000-08:002007-11-11T22:49:00.000-08:00You you understand the other side you can better d...<I>You you understand the other side you can better debate them.</I><BR/><BR/>I mentioned this before, but I am not ignorant of the other side. I've had many discussions and am currently having one with an atheist. Furthermore, you took my quote out of context. My point was that I could think of nothing they could say that would change the truth of the matter on that particular topic (there isLesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05454747871999481708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-51017262528735576372007-11-11T19:27:00.000-08:002007-11-11T19:27:00.000-08:00Leslie,perhaps they [atheist activist] are mistake...Leslie,<BR/><BR/><I>perhaps they [atheist activist] are mistaken about what it means to be a "New Atheist" and have actually mis-titled themselves.</I><BR/>Seems unlikely, but even if this is true, no point calling them Anti-Theists as they don't consider themselves to be that. Calling them Anti-Theist will not get your message accross.<BR/><BR/><I>a large portion of atheists today are rather Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-31569875247163661812007-11-11T16:06:00.000-08:002007-11-11T16:06:00.000-08:00Atheism presents itself in its own propaganda as t...Atheism presents itself in its own propaganda as the alternative to religion, but in reality it's nothing more than an er zots religion, or a lack of religion that functions in place of religions. Just like anti-communists were just like communists except they wanted to imprison you through capitalism rather than the state.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-59881494648016101782007-11-11T14:46:00.000-08:002007-11-11T14:46:00.000-08:00On the other hand, anon, perhaps they are mistaken...On the other hand, anon, perhaps they are mistaken about what it means to be a "New Atheist" and have actually mis-titled themselves.<BR/><BR/>Regardless, I think this goes hand in hand with what M said about ambiguity being the atheist's trump card. The fact is, whether militantly or somewhat passively, a large portion of atheists today are rather anti-theistic, and they show this in how they Lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05454747871999481708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-37001534121399120972007-11-11T14:20:00.000-08:002007-11-11T14:20:00.000-08:00m,I think your point was that you want to call mem...m,<BR/><BR/>I think your point was that you want to call members of the New Atheist Movement as Anti-Theist. (correct me if I'm wrong). I tried to point out that it would be counter productive. In our local atheist meetup group many people identify themselves as "New Atheists", but only few of them are Anti-Theists. I think you would be surprised to see how many of them sympatises, but also Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-17296663174345239012007-11-11T08:14:00.000-08:002007-11-11T08:14:00.000-08:00Sorry I missed the memo. Now why do we need to att...<B><BR/>Sorry I missed the memo. Now why do we need to attack the atheists? Shouldn't we turn the other cheek when atheist criticize Christians?</B><BR/><BR/>Oh yes, because, you know I totally meant it in like a hostile manner. <BR/><BR/>(sarcasm).<BR/><BR/>You just love to pick at anything you can get, don't you? Even figures of speech are innocent victims of your criticisms.<BR/><BR/><B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-50294236939759930602007-11-11T04:15:00.000-08:002007-11-11T04:15:00.000-08:00bk,As an atheist I can see Harris' point, but a lo...bk,<BR/><BR/>As an atheist I can see Harris' point, but a lot of people would argue the meaning of the word "cult". Most religious cults want to isolate members from outside, which atheists don't do.<BR/><BR/><I>atheism -- whether atheists will ever accept the truth of this or not -- is a religion</I><BR/>The Christians love to propagate this myth. It is like saying "not collecting stamps" is a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-12149341724671437222007-11-11T00:18:00.000-08:002007-11-11T00:18:00.000-08:00m,Sorry I missed the memo. Now why do we need to a...m,<BR/><BR/>Sorry I missed the memo. Now why do we need to attack the atheists? Shouldn't we turn the other cheek when atheist criticize Christians?<BR/><BR/>Calling (new) atheist Anti-Theists is just counter productive as only some of them are Anti-Theists. Atheist don't seem to criticize Theists, it is the organized religious dogma they usually criticize. You need to go after people's ideology Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-23534972122649924822007-11-10T14:52:00.000-08:002007-11-10T14:52:00.000-08:00“Christianity, at least, has a basis for telling i...“Christianity, at least, has a basis for telling its zealots that they have overstepped the lines.”<BR/><BR/>I think this brings up an interesting point. In terms of “authority”, I do not believe Protestant Christianity is any better because, despite the claim of Sola Scriptura, every Christian who looks at the “Word of God” will have their own understanding of what it is saying. And while one slaveofonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493574936843969520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-86716483331698248842007-11-10T11:16:00.000-08:002007-11-10T11:16:00.000-08:00While I don't know if this is really relevant to t...While I don't know if this is really relevant to the topic at hand, I don't think we are attacking this little fringe group from the right angle.<BR/><BR/>We can't attack "atheism" as a religion. The definition is to ambiguous to assign any sort of formalized belief to the title (i.e. Positive and Negative Atheism). <BR/><BR/>This ambiguity is the Atheists trump card when it comes to showing thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com