tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post6360278018697689556..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Do angels and demons exist?BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-42341670183669422582011-12-06T22:35:53.747-08:002011-12-06T22:35:53.747-08:00I doubt anyones gonna respond, but if you want, I ...I doubt anyones gonna respond, but if you want, I blogged about Morelands experience myself:<br /><br />http://oldtimeatheism.blogspot.com/2011/11/fp-morelands.html<br /><br />I would appreciate any feedback, expeciallly from Ed Babinsky or Mark.<br /><br />AndyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16360897119962486447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-91602651143755569312010-06-21T10:12:21.286-07:002010-06-21T10:12:21.286-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.buy viagrahttp://www.safemeds.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-43269051037099641422010-04-13T13:16:37.615-07:002010-04-13T13:16:37.615-07:00Since you say the witnesses are still around, and ...Since you say the witnesses are still around, and all you have is Mooreland's word, why not interview the witnesses and substantiate the story from their point of view as well as Mooreland's?<br /><br />It's not up to anyone but the person making the claim to substantiate it the best way he can, and hopefully by asking nonloaded questions that do not lead the person you are Edwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-42793558961802127072010-03-05T21:55:41.692-08:002010-03-05T21:55:41.692-08:00Thus you have a priori established that such thing...Thus you have a priori established that such things are not possible and so the people that profess such experiences are simply hysterical. Talk about poisoning the evidenciary well with one's presuppositions and bias while thinking one is being objective.<br /><br /><b>exactly what I was saying--thank you.</b><br /><br />Look, "supernatural hysteria" was just a rhetorical flourish Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-20747477273220609762010-03-05T11:06:06.305-08:002010-03-05T11:06:06.305-08:00One other thing I'd failed to mention before. ...One other thing I'd failed to mention before. Pointing to isolated incidents of purported supernatural activity, finding no evidenced naturalistic explanation and concluding on this basis that the supernatural is real is bad (or at least insufficient) methodology. There are many reports like these, and so one must always ask oneself, under the hypothesis that the incidents behind them are allMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-55684879530923495692010-03-05T05:36:19.531-08:002010-03-05T05:36:19.531-08:00"Thus you have a priori established that such..."Thus you have a priori established that such things are not possible and so the people that profess such experiences are simply hysterical."<br /><br />Look, "supernatural hysteria" was just a rhetorical flourish on my part, not some psychological disorder I was diagnosing him with. If you read my comment more closely, you'll find I'm unpersuaded by his report not Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-79075261624196440582010-03-04T18:53:01.138-08:002010-03-04T18:53:01.138-08:00Hello Mark,
I have to side with Metacrock here an...Hello Mark,<br /><br />I have to side with Metacrock here and agree with his assessment.<br /><br />This is due to this statement of yours:<br /><br />"Gullible people can accurately report supernatural levitation, I guess, but it's just not very convincing to people who don't already believe such things are possible."<br /><br /><br />Thus you have a priori established that RD Miksahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896061901032391419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-28855319814563193652010-03-04T13:31:32.271-08:002010-03-04T13:31:32.271-08:00That's really not what I was saying.That's really not what I was saying.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-33242900187363556232010-03-04T13:14:49.416-08:002010-03-04T13:14:49.416-08:00he levitation thing I'd lump in with the telek...he levitation thing I'd lump in with the telekinesis. You're mistaken if you think people in the grips of supernatural hysteria can't imagine they've seen all sorts of implausible things that didn't happen, especially if they're allowed to talk to each other about their experiences afterward and thereby reinforce each other's interpretation of events<br /><br /><br /><Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-82140455258071872482010-03-03T21:14:01.411-08:002010-03-03T21:14:01.411-08:00"All the facts presented here are true and ve..."All the facts presented here are true and verifiable by the multiple and highly credible individuals involved in her care..."<br /><br />Right, but I don't think simply adding this gives the story a great deal of credence. Did the magazine editors go out and thus independently verify the report? Are they really a credible enough news source to believe they would've done a Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-85316675560183950102010-03-03T13:56:50.091-08:002010-03-03T13:56:50.091-08:00Good Day Mark,
Thank you for replying. Just a co...Good Day Mark,<br /><br />Thank you for replying. Just a couple of quick points:<br /><br /><br />“I certainly couldn't guess at non-supernatural explanations of the events narrated in your link, if they indeed happened.”<br /><br />At least you admit this, which is both a start and an honest assessment of your capabilities.<br /><br /><br />“The incredibly fanciful nature of the report RD Miksahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896061901032391419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-64619288195776573022010-03-03T11:45:28.415-08:002010-03-03T11:45:28.415-08:00RD,
I certainly couldn't guess at non-superna...RD,<br /><br />I certainly couldn't guess at non-supernatural explanations of the events narrated in your link, if they indeed happened. The incredibly fanciful nature of the report makes that basically impossible (and admirably, too, I might add). I'd just have to point to the incredibly sketchy and gullible-seeming tone of the story, and point it out to similar cases. They verified the Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25167361323339993302010-03-03T10:38:42.519-08:002010-03-03T10:38:42.519-08:00"Mark, this incident does not concern a retri..."Mark, this incident does not concern a retrieved memory of childhood. This is an incident that happened to an adult, in full possession of his mental faculties and having nothing to do with sexual abuse."<br /><br />You're certainly right about this: there's no childhood repression going on. But I'm not sure how it's supposed to matter. The point of the Loftus thing wasMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-48637000915768745552010-03-03T10:26:14.230-08:002010-03-03T10:26:14.230-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-23441124390570856892010-03-03T08:15:24.504-08:002010-03-03T08:15:24.504-08:00Mark, this incident does not concern a retrieved m...Mark, this incident does not concern a retrieved memory of childhood. This is an incident that happened to an adult, in full possession of his mental faculties and having nothing to do with sexual abuse. The details of the woman's vision had been lodged in his memory long before Moreland got the email from his grad student, since he specifically prayed before he received the email that he Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-51175549758709624062010-03-03T07:52:20.707-08:002010-03-03T07:52:20.707-08:00Good Day Mark,
I wonder what you would think of m...Good Day Mark,<br /><br />I wonder what you would think of my link above.<br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />RD MiksaRD Miksahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896061901032391419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-7417460101636606372010-03-03T07:41:09.703-08:002010-03-03T07:41:09.703-08:00It's quite easy to implant memories into the m...It's quite easy to implant memories into the minds of intelligent people under the right conditions; see, e.g., Elizabeth Loftus' research into people who are led to falsely remember having been sexually abused as children. Even the (purposefully?) scant details of the story as presented make it seem like Mooreland was in a highly suggestible state at the time he read the student's Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05693985638589020492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-51689195398625109042010-03-03T05:54:50.541-08:002010-03-03T05:54:50.541-08:00Hello to All,
Nice quick post.
Although you may ...Hello to All,<br /><br />Nice quick post.<br /><br />Although you may not agree with the final conclusion, I posted something similar here:<br /><br />http://radosmiksa.blogspot.com/2010/02/article-demons-as-proof-of-catholicism.html<br /><br />Let me know what you think.<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />RD Miksa<br />radosmiksa.blogspot.comRD Miksahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896061901032391419noreply@blogger.com