tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post6182774445417542651..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Part 2 answering Loftus: Can the Resurrectin Be HIstorical?BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-24352620150855430522007-10-29T23:54:00.000-07:002007-10-29T23:54:00.000-07:00During the Inquisition they would have killed me.T...During the Inquisition they would have killed me.<BR/><BR/>Thanks though, I just don't see why people think that because I make my case I'm angry. By virtue of the way I'm treated by Christians on some blogs I could say the same, but I know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-84512831297810320172007-10-29T20:48:00.000-07:002007-10-29T20:48:00.000-07:00John,I honestly am trying to figure out what you g...John,<BR/><BR/>I honestly am trying to figure out what you get out of arguing on these blogs. Are you hoping to gain adherents to your ideology? If so, you need to tone down the anger and lend some charity to those you are talking to. You sure haven't lent any to me or to the members of this blog. <BR/><BR/>What if you convert everyone you come in contact with to your religious point of view?Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417260051312383466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-72097754496231842502007-10-29T19:59:00.000-07:002007-10-29T19:59:00.000-07:00My point is that you should investigate theism mor...My point is that you should investigate theism more because from what I've seen you don't take God as seriously as you ought to. That will probably include arguing against it at first but I trust that you'll see the reasonableness of theism over atheism and change your mind again. <BR/><BR/>Theism does not have to lead to deism if one does not follow and faith tradition. I think they are Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417260051312383466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-14426933543473423252007-10-29T13:02:00.000-07:002007-10-29T13:02:00.000-07:00I'm sorry Ron, but what exactly IS your point? Are...I'm sorry Ron, but what exactly IS your point? Are you arguing that I should not argue against Christianity? I can see no possible way you can justify telling me what I should or shouldn't do.<BR/><BR/>Are you saying it would be better if I went after theism as a whole? Why would you suggest a better strategy to me as an atheist? Are you really suggesting that by doing so I will be more effectiveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-5814702776388782682007-10-29T12:07:00.000-07:002007-10-29T12:07:00.000-07:00john w. loftus,I don't think you fully understood ...john w. loftus,<BR/><BR/>I don't think you fully understood me. I'm talking about the contents of people's beliefs, not the minor opinion stuff. And on the whole Christians can be more sympathetic to people in other traditions then atheists are. This is because we know that there are real spiritual problems that need to be dealt with and real reasons why people would seek to abandon the world Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417260051312383466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-9303265706884960452007-10-28T11:47:00.000-07:002007-10-28T11:47:00.000-07:00Ron, the fact that you have some agreements with o...Ron, the fact that you have some agreements with other religions says nothing against the fact that you reject them in the same way as I reject yours. You merely believe what you do. Where others agree with you then you agree with them, and that's it. I have many many agreements with people around the world on a host of topics too, but my agreements with these people do not entail that I agree Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-79199857229619416412007-10-28T10:50:00.000-07:002007-10-28T10:50:00.000-07:00Loftus,I'm surprised that you repeat that statemen...Loftus,<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised that you repeat that statement I hear often from atheists that we Christians are just like them when it comes to other religions. Actually, Christians are more in agreement with the other religious traditions then you are. We think that they are wrong in the final analysis but they do contain some truths. It's the atheist who must believe that the world religionsRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417260051312383466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-14021553237130711302007-10-28T10:26:00.000-07:002007-10-28T10:26:00.000-07:00My book isn't out yet! I am not David Hume by any ...My book isn't out yet! <BR/><BR/>I am not David Hume by any stretch of anyone's imagination...not even in my wildest dreams...but remember, he self-published too, and his book was "still-born off the press." As to <I>Prometheus Books</I> publishing it, what does that have to do with how it will be received? PB was the first to grab it, that's all, and Daniel C. Dennett said they gained "a coup" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-5651441232989620302007-10-28T09:55:00.000-07:002007-10-28T09:55:00.000-07:00Loftus,The most influential/knowledgeable apologis...Loftus,<BR/><BR/>The most influential/knowledgeable apologists don't even know your name. Your book has not been discussed in any recent work by Richard Swinburne, Alvin Plantinga, Gregory Boyd or Peter Van Inwagen. I don't bring this up to suggest that people shouldn't treat you with respect, just to give a little perspective. You had to self-publish your book before it got noticed, and even Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-41969077375798403302007-10-28T08:40:00.000-07:002007-10-28T08:40:00.000-07:00Yes that's a problem I have with [Loftus'] positio...<I>Yes that's a problem I have with [Loftus'] position on this history issue. Not that I say He irrational, but he seems to lionize his own time and place.</I><BR/><BR/>We cannot do otherwise, unless you think had you lived during the three centuries of witch trials you would still think about them as you do today. <BR/><BR/>There have been so many changes with regard to Christian beliefs, Joe, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25301153984374892002007-10-28T08:21:00.000-07:002007-10-28T08:21:00.000-07:00Wow, there is a lot of stuff here. I liked your su...Wow, there is a lot of stuff here. I liked your summary of the origins of modern naturalism and postmodernism. <BR/><BR/><B>Thanks. I spent the first four years of doctoral work doing Derrida and post modernism.</B><BR/><BR/><BR/>I took a class on Christian Origins last year and it was terrible. We never read anything about what actually happened in those early years but got a lesson in Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-780317672202310682007-10-28T06:25:00.000-07:002007-10-28T06:25:00.000-07:00Ron, I like discussing these ideas respectfully. T...Ron, I like discussing these ideas respectfully. That's all I have ever wanted. I read Christian books (I just ordered a few of them recently, including The Apologetics Bible, with a secton edited by my friend Paul Copan). I consider several major Christian apologists as my friends, like Copan, Sennett, Geisler, Craig, and others, and I correspond with them (why is it that the more influential/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-30542772157699893492007-10-28T01:31:00.000-07:002007-10-28T01:31:00.000-07:00Wow, there is a lot of stuff here. I liked your s...Wow, there is a lot of stuff here. I liked your summary of the origins of modern naturalism and postmodernism. I took a class on Christian Origins last year and it was terrible. We never read anything about what actually happened in those early years but got a lesson in post-modern historiography which basically amounted to the statement all worldviews are just power constructs meant to put a Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417260051312383466noreply@blogger.com