tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post5730345089552305456..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: PS on Jesus and the TalmudBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-92111098295066305052016-02-08T13:09:24.009-08:002016-02-08T13:09:24.009-08:00Cool. I thought I'd already been blacklisted. ...Cool. I thought I'd already been blacklisted. :)Barrett Pashakhttp://constantinbrunner.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-10202917825816444082016-02-08T08:39:12.227-08:002016-02-08T08:39:12.227-08:00Sorry, Barrett, you got accidentally listed in the...Sorry, Barrett, you got accidentally listed in the spam. (There was a run of spam on other comments, and someone accidentally swept yours in with that haul.) I've put you back.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-26045863512537151832016-02-05T15:15:26.666-08:002016-02-05T15:15:26.666-08:00Here we see him unvarnished by devotees. All the s...Here we see him unvarnished by devotees. All the same, the usual insight is there. It is another example of his radical rejection of all moralizing.Barrett Pashakhttp://constantinbrunner.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-46557510506908249812016-02-05T14:30:12.639-08:002016-02-05T14:30:12.639-08:00Good points, NR.
I agree on the style, less on t...Good points, NR. <br /><br />I agree on the style, less on the substance. I felt chastened a bit by Joe's comment, and that may partly explain why I suspect that Jesus never uttered the words attributed to him in this instance. It just seems on its face a little too far out of character. But maybe also the saying is genuine, or mostly genuine, and the words were stripped from some other Don McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387665301048762546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-41762920519301530832016-02-05T10:46:32.145-08:002016-02-05T10:46:32.145-08:00I've head of this before at secondhand, i.e. t...I've head of this before at secondhand, i.e. that Rab Elizear the Great got in trouble for being appreciative of a saying of Jesus; but I haven't seen the actual reference before.<br /><br />Under the circumstances it looks quite genuine as a lost logion; although likely enough taken out of context.<br /><br />Of course it helps bolster the point, which isn't in dispute anyway, that Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-63715877919332850242016-02-05T08:04:26.957-08:002016-02-05T08:04:26.957-08:00No Robots here. It seems to me that when Christ is...No Robots here. It seems to me that when Christ is put on the spot on this question, he comes up with something witty and memorable, as one would expect. That it is somewhat at the expense of harlots isn't such a big deal: he utters similar disparaging remarks in the Gospels, all in the quest of making a point. The point here, to my mind, is that it is indeed ridiculous to worry about such Barrett Pashakhttp://constantinbrunner.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-28733733909461643292016-02-05T06:07:46.837-08:002016-02-05T06:07:46.837-08:00Thanks for clarifying this! Yes, of course Jesus w...Thanks for clarifying this! Yes, of course Jesus would not judge prostitutes or cast stones at them. Perhaps I should clarify myself, that by "authentic" I don't mean something Jesus actually said, but something actually found in the Talmud. That being the case, and Jesus being a man of then-recent history, I would expect occasional Talmudic references to describe Jesus in a manner Don McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387665301048762546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-48913005554149840082016-02-04T23:09:22.558-08:002016-02-04T23:09:22.558-08:00actually I would expect Jesus to say something mor...actually I would expect Jesus to say something more like he who is without sin cast the first stone. I would expect him to recognize the victimhood of prostitutes rather than imply that they are not good enough. Yet the fact that the guy got in trouble for quoting him indicates he they thought of him as a real guy. Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-66789514859191182242016-02-04T06:31:39.158-08:002016-02-04T06:31:39.158-08:00Interesting. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, filth t...Interesting. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, filth to filth.<br /><br />As an admitted non-expert on all this, my first impression is that the cited passage, if authentic, strongly supports historicity. What Jesus is reported to have said, and how the rabbis are reported to have responded to it, is just the sort of thing we would expect if Jesus was the man the Gospels describe. And the implicit Don McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387665301048762546noreply@blogger.com