tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post5670516515169210132..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: A Curious Key to a Historical Jesus (Part 3 of 9)BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-35015579521236224192010-06-23T03:50:18.868-07:002010-06-23T03:50:18.868-07:00{{Building a Roman image from Hellenist hearsay ac...{{Building a Roman image from Hellenist hearsay accounts, decades after the death of the 1st-century Pharisee Ribi, and after a forcible ouster, by Hellenist Roman gentiles, of his original Jewish followers (135 C.E., documented by Eusebius), based on writings of a Hellenist Jew excised as an apostate by the original Jewish followers (documented by Eusebius)...}}<br /><br />Um... are you talking Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-4240199792528727852010-06-23T03:30:55.058-07:002010-06-23T03:30:55.058-07:00Andreas: {{there is not one fragment, not even one...Andreas: {{there is not one fragment, not even one letter of the NT that derives DIRECTLY from the 1st-century Pharisee Jews who followed the Pharisee Ribi Yehoshua.}}<br /><br />And yet, somehow you're entirely (even viciously?) sure that Jesus was a Pharisaic rabbi. Based on... what exactly? The DSS have nothing to say about Jesus, unless one purely speculates that Jesus was the Teacher of Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-54475405352454085292010-04-01T13:58:35.022-07:002010-04-01T13:58:35.022-07:00Dondi: {{I contend that you cannot divorce GA-B fr...Dondi: {{I contend that you cannot divorce GA-B from this earlier account in dealing with Pilate, for it sets up precedence for the excuse about having the body stolen.}}<br /><br />Certainly, I said as much myself in Part 1 (if he writes Adv-A, he need not write Adv-B, but if he writes Adv-B he pretty much has to have <i>something</i> like Adv-A). But I'm looking at the implications as an Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-33430998350663830702010-04-01T13:58:05.575-07:002010-04-01T13:58:05.575-07:00Dondi: {{In the first place, the whole account of ...Dondi: {{In the first place, the whole account of GA-B [and GA-A for that matter] appears to have been inserted into the text at a later date.}}<br /><br />A few things to note about this combination source/form critical argument.<br /><br />1.) There is exactly zero text-critical evidence for this theory. (The adulteress pericope in GosJohn would be an ultra-famous example of having Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25064588223550650932010-04-01T13:54:22.631-07:002010-04-01T13:54:22.631-07:00The majority of non Christian Jews didn't have...The majority of non Christian Jews didn't have to believe the body was stolen. But some Jews apparently argued that.<br /><br />I think most non Christian Jews either believe it was stolen, that it was moved without being stolen before the guards were put on, or that Jesus was raised form the dead but that doesn't make him Messiah.<br /><br />I would be interesting to know what the Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-48438767823674198912010-04-01T13:04:08.068-07:002010-04-01T13:04:08.068-07:00Jason (back toward the end of Part 2, emphases ori...Jason (<a href="http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2010/03/curious-key-to-historical-jesus-part-2.html" rel="nofollow">back toward the end of Part 2</a>, emphases original):"Now, I do <i>not</i> say that this therefore must have been a (much less <i>the</i>) stock official response by all Jews to all Christians everywhere during the time GosMatt was composed. I would agree that proposing Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-85462363041536794092010-04-01T11:59:08.055-07:002010-04-01T11:59:08.055-07:00I have no problem believing Jesus actually existin...I have no problem believing Jesus actually existing, nor that He was crucified one Spring day in 1st century Palestine, nor that the body was taken down and lain in a tomb, only to go missing several days later. Nor even that the guards would even confirm the body missing.<br /><br />What I DO have a problem with is that I am not convinced that the Key of Guard Adventure-B confirms historical Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-87793046739020697392010-04-01T06:16:31.266-07:002010-04-01T06:16:31.266-07:00Interesting approach. It dove tails with my no ot...Interesting approach. It dove tails with <a href="http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/versions.html" rel="nofollow"><b> my no other versions argument.</b></a>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-42180189371455725212010-04-01T05:30:14.662-07:002010-04-01T05:30:14.662-07:00Just registering for comment tracking...Just registering for comment tracking...Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.com