tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post4538765838465121187..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: JRP vs. Bishop Spong vs. Judas Iscariot: Round FourBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-21410941304546567792009-07-30T05:46:07.276-07:002009-07-30T05:46:07.276-07:00I will add, that completely aside from which Gospe...I will add, that completely aside from which Gospel came first or was using the other as source material, since there was clearly <i>some</i> alteration by one of them in the received order of events, from a text-critical standpoint the alteration is probably GosMatt's (putting the whole enchilada temptation last) not GosLuke's: it makes the most obvious sense, so the other order was (as Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-26803993156665504112009-07-30T05:34:11.495-07:002009-07-30T05:34:11.495-07:00I was bored working on a statistical analysis proj...I was bored working on a statistical analysis project. {g} (For which I still have probably another month to go... sigh...)<br /><br />Plus, I like odd theories. This one was small enough that I could spend time on it without having to write a whole book.<br /><br /><br />Amusing sidenote: I <i>always</i> mix up which Gospel ends with the mount scene and which with the temple-wing scene. Never Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-91249012000126714812009-07-29T09:27:42.619-07:002009-07-29T09:27:42.619-07:00Jason: Have you never learned not to discourse wit...Jason: Have you never learned not to discourse with Loftus? <br /><br />As he so often seems to work by trusting others conclusions when it suits him or jumping to his own, it tends to end with others having to do the homework.<br /><br />In short a constant source of amusement and anoyment.<br /><br />But I enjoy your homework!Bjørn Arehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01491085976273836365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-70318658156386370932009-07-28T11:13:48.891-07:002009-07-28T11:13:48.891-07:00Opps! My mistake: GosMatt is indeed the version of...Opps! My mistake: GosMatt is indeed the version of the temptation that ends on the mountain; and Jesus does indeed quote Deuteronomy there.<br /><br />So that brief exchange with Satan on a mountain at the end of a scene might count as a "Great Discourse", I suppose. (By someone really stretching to get set of Great Discourses On Mountains out of GosMatt. {g})<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-11065796436829720262009-07-28T11:11:01.183-07:002009-07-28T11:11:01.183-07:00Options for the other three “great discourses on a...Options for the other three “great discourses on a mountain” scenes in GosMatt.<br /><br />Satan tempting Jesus on a high mountain? (4:1-11) A great scene, but hardly a "great discourse"--more like one brief exchange of dialogue--and only one part of the overall scene takes place on that “high mountain”. And not even the climactic part, in GosMatt!<br /><br />The calling and instructionJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-91562055164479374172009-07-28T11:07:38.438-07:002009-07-28T11:07:38.438-07:00Meanwhile, in case readers don't know: the fiv...Meanwhile, in case readers don't know: the five great discourses on five mountains presented in GosMatt are<br /><br />1.) The Sermon on the Mount (5:1-8:1); which by the way I agree (from comparison with other texts) probably didn't happen on the mount but was conveniently positioned there by the author (though I wouldn't otherwise have reason for a mount sermon per se being Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-63029214484882201342009-07-28T11:06:48.002-07:002009-07-28T11:06:48.002-07:00I'm a little fuzzy on why this observation, ev...I'm a little fuzzy on why this observation, even if true in regard to one text, is supposed to be grounds for ignoring the actual textual details (and sometimes the lack thereof even though claimed by Bishop Spong), plus the tacit interlocking with unstated background information, in the timing of Jesus' arrest across all the texts--which is the point under examination here.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-41329523110235248632009-07-28T07:52:52.561-07:002009-07-28T07:52:52.561-07:00Just for the record Jason, Matthew's Gospel pr...Just for the record Jason, Matthew's Gospel presents Jesus as speaking five great discourses on five mountains. This fits the theme of Jesus being the new Moses in that gospel. Do you actually think Jesus spoke these five discourses on five mountains? Few scholars do. These details are dramatic effects related to the theme. So I share Spong's suspicions here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-56949333466694406562009-07-28T06:39:00.406-07:002009-07-28T06:39:00.406-07:00Registering for comment tracking.Registering for comment tracking.Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.com