tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post4434346399978794003..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: A Report on Francis Collins' Address at StanfordBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-22894231540295813212008-03-10T13:12:00.000-07:002008-03-10T13:12:00.000-07:00I don't know why Mr. Carr is playing so coy, but w...I don't know why Mr. Carr is playing so coy, but what the heck, I'll go along with it.<BR/><BR/>First of all, if you want to get pedantic, I'll have to point out that you misattributed your first quotation. You actually quoted not Collins, but what the article said about what Collins said. Of course, the article itself was not written technically (in fact, it was arguably a bit sloppy in some Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-77955076052269899482008-03-08T00:26:00.000-08:002008-03-08T00:26:00.000-08:00COLLINSAfter evolution had “prepared a sufficientl...COLLINS<BR/>After evolution had “prepared a sufficiently advanced ‘house’” in the human being (the human brain), God gifted humanity with the knowledge of free will, good and evil, and a soul.<BR/><BR/>DAVID<BR/>Tee-hee. Silly boy, brains don't house souls! If you really want to use the "housing" metaphor, I'd say it's the other way around.Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-31621504162428296652008-03-07T05:34:00.000-08:002008-03-07T05:34:00.000-08:00From the report on Collins' speech:{{To begin, Col...From the report on Collins' speech:<BR/><BR/>{{To begin, Collins made a surprisingly strong scientific case for the existence of evolution. Showing a chart of the chromosomes of humans and chimpanzees, he made it visually clear that the only difference was the very long human chromosome two, compared to that of the chimpanzee. Each chromosome has a very specific sequence at the tip called a Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-18384546027764167822008-03-07T01:10:00.000-08:002008-03-07T01:10:00.000-08:00Steven Carr: At what period in time does the embry...Steven Carr: <I>At what period in time does the embryo develop a brain of any kind, let alone a 'sufficiently advanced' brain , of the type that can house a soul?</I><BR/><BR/>Tee-hee. Silly boy, brains don't house souls! If you really want to use the "housing" metaphor, I'd say it's the other way around. But I'm not sure what your non-sequitur is supposed to mean. You're not suggesting that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-37554933640445195032008-03-06T23:22:00.000-08:002008-03-06T23:22:00.000-08:00COLLINSAfter evolution had “prepared a sufficientl...COLLINS<BR/>After evolution had “prepared a sufficiently advanced ‘house’” in the human being (the human brain), God gifted humanity with the knowledge of free will, good and evil, and a soul.<BR/><BR/>CARR<BR/>Fascinating.<BR/><BR/>God waited until there was a sufficiently advanced human brain before gifting humanity with a soul?<BR/><BR/>At what period in time does the embryo develop a brain ofSteven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-50378944401265610912008-03-06T23:14:00.000-08:002008-03-06T23:14:00.000-08:00'God gifted humanity with the knowledge of free wi...'God gifted humanity with the knowledge of free will, good and evil, and a soul.'<BR/><BR/>Yes, the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a gift from God to humanity <BR/><BR/>'Eat, and enjoy' were the exact words used, I believe, although I may have to look up exactly what the Bible does say about how mankind got the knowledge of good and evil, and what God had to say on the matter.Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-33360583634004356182008-03-06T23:02:00.000-08:002008-03-06T23:02:00.000-08:00Collins: Examples of such improbability suggest th...Collins: <I>Examples of such improbability suggest that there is a creator God.</I><BR/><BR/>Hm, sounds like he does go for Intelligent Design after all! Of course, as Jason pointed out, evolution itself is compatible with ID (or indeed, demands it!). I think one of the biggest strengths in ID's favour is the way its opponents so persistently mischaracterise it; the real question behind ID of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-33504942313762413952008-03-06T22:52:00.000-08:002008-03-06T22:52:00.000-08:00Steven Carr: Why did God design animals so that th...Steven Carr: <I>Why did God design animals so that their altruism can be not only explained by mathematics, </I><BR/><BR/>Note that a mathematical model is not the same as an explanation. Or, to be precise, it may explain the formal cause, but not the material, efficient, or final.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>but that such mathematical explanations are 'unreasonably' effective?</I><BR/><BR/>It's only "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-65876713625061376522008-03-06T22:30:00.000-08:002008-03-06T22:30:00.000-08:00'The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics?'Ma...'The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics?'<BR/><BR/>Mathematics can be used in game theory to see how altruism can evolve, by seeing what produces an evolutionary stable strategy.<BR/><BR/>Why did God design animals so that their altruism can be not only explained by mathematics, but that such mathematical explanations are 'unreasonably' effective?Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-10635673260499648692008-03-05T05:38:00.000-08:002008-03-05T05:38:00.000-08:00I think it should be pointed out that most IDers w...I think it should be pointed out that most IDers would actually agree with theistic evolution. The two are far from incompatible; it isn't a case of one instead of the other. (Indeed, IDers per se often catch flak from YECers who dismiss evolutionary development into historically existent species altogether.)<BR/><BR/>Collins may be aware of this, though, and only meant that the specific Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.com