tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post3957752593453187527..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: The Shroud, again....BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-49170687025909252812009-11-20T14:45:39.009-08:002009-11-20T14:45:39.009-08:00To qualify again: I don't consider myself anyt...To qualify again: I don't consider myself anything like a "high-level" Shroud scholar (or even much of a scholar about the Shroud at all). I only meant I don't know what scholars other than Dr. G think about the coin theory now.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-57725599434206977762009-11-20T14:39:22.860-08:002009-11-20T14:39:22.860-08:00Update: in connection with an Associated Press art...Update: in connection with an Associated Press article on claims about the meaning of those letters around the head (if they exist at all) being made in a new book released soon this autumn, Dr. Garlaschelli (the guy mentioned in the main post above) relates that high-res photos of the Shroud in 2002 significantly disconfirm the existence of coins on the eyes. (News to me, but then I don't Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-26036588233699155152009-10-23T08:13:06.700-07:002009-10-23T08:13:06.700-07:00To sum up:
If it's a fake, then someone at so...To sum up:<br /><br />If it's a fake, then someone at some time during or before the High Middle Ages, killed a Jewish man by crucifixion in a fashion very detailed to Christ (but with details beyond the texts that would indicate him to be a specially devout Jew), wrapped him in a cloth known to be of a weave and composition (and cotton breed!) found only among wealthy people in 1st century Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1591708318251077612009-10-23T08:08:52.877-07:002009-10-23T08:08:52.877-07:00Anon 2: {{Lots of people are curcified, right? So ...Anon 2: {{Lots of people are curcified, right? So who says its him, just because of a similar death and wounds?}}<br /><br />Physiologically the man appears to be Semitic (with a neat Nazarite hair-tail, by the way, and some evidence that he was wearing phylacteries: those little Jewish boxes on his head and arm that would have held bits of the Torah.) Blood stains test positive at least for maleJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-4685896201651314562009-10-23T06:31:29.174-07:002009-10-23T06:31:29.174-07:00Ruffin's book on the Shroud, dating back to 19...Ruffin's book on the Shroud, dating back to 1999 or 2000, still looks (unfortunately) to be the most comprehensive tally of data in print at this time. (Fortunately, we're likely to see a slew of new Shroud books soon, including one out of the gate later this year, due to some anniversary or other.) Testing was still being done on the Shroud up to the time of that printing; and the Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-46006112183196580652009-10-23T06:15:30.878-07:002009-10-23T06:15:30.878-07:00Anon 1: There's still some dispute as to how t...Anon 1: There's still some dispute as to how the sample was chosen. The original protocol for selecting and testing samples, which would have been far more rigorous (and costly, and perhaps more damaging to the Shroud) was abandoned without clear explanation; and a simplified version was again abandoned without clear explanation for an even-more-simplified testing protocol. (Even Harry Grove,Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-79155757329457541842009-10-22T16:08:34.305-07:002009-10-22T16:08:34.305-07:00What Im trying to figure out is why does everyone ...What Im trying to figure out is why does everyone think its Jesus. Never mind the time it came from. Lots of people are curcified, right? So who says its him, just because of a similar death and wounds? Cos if thats all, then I don't even know why anyone cares when it was done. It still is no closer to proving who it is. There is a reason we think its Him, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-18398340425906730722009-10-22T16:04:51.910-07:002009-10-22T16:04:51.910-07:00OK, but the scientists didn't choose the sampl...OK, but the scientists didn't choose the sample. Or rather the six samples that were chosen. The vatican did. So if the vatican people were so daft as to choose from an area that would be the one fake in a big Shroud, you almost have to laugh. Not very lucky are they? And if that was a bad sample. NO prob. Lets do it again with a good sample. Im dying to know. Im sure that lots of labs wouldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-343884321440832722009-10-10T19:36:30.969-07:002009-10-10T19:36:30.969-07:00Anonymous,
No, I hadn't seen that study. For ...Anonymous,<br /><br />No, I hadn't seen that study. For those of you not wanting to follow the link to the article, the summary reads: <br /><br /><em>In 1988, radiocarbon laboratories at Arizona, Cambridge, and Zurich determined the age of a sample from the Shroud of Turin. They reported that the date of the cloth's production lay between a.d. 1260 and 1390 with 95% confidence. This cameBKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-27196580100508879122009-10-10T01:42:13.629-07:002009-10-10T01:42:13.629-07:00Concerning the carbon 14 tests, did you ever see t...Concerning the carbon 14 tests, did you ever see the article publish by Ray Rogers in Thermochimica Acta (a peer-reviewed journal) in 2004?<br /><br />Link here :<br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6THV-4DTBVHC-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1042219120&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-35319453272909202742009-10-06T06:02:28.979-07:002009-10-06T06:02:28.979-07:00Ed (or maybe Adri? {g}),
The {sindon} would have ...Ed (or maybe Adri? {g}),<br /><br />The {sindon} would have covered the whole body, regardless of whether an extra cloth was placed over the face or tied around the face to keep the jaws together. ({othonia} is a plural of a different word than {sindon}, and is used in GosLuke in relation to the same object; GosJohn uses {othonia} only, but is the Gospel which specifically mentions the extra Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-53563005098876675192009-10-05T21:14:35.477-07:002009-10-05T21:14:35.477-07:00In John 20: 6-7 we read,
"6Then Simon Peter ...In John 20: 6-7 we read,<br /><br />"6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, 7and(G) the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’[a] head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself."<br /><br />Doesn't this make it impossible for the shroud of turin to be Jesus' burial clothing? There was a piece Ed & Adrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12062542279914903212noreply@blogger.com