tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post3620520774577996803..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Does Ignatius Demonstrate Reliance on the Acts of the Apostles?BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-71740561671495972762009-08-30T21:42:49.943-07:002009-08-30T21:42:49.943-07:00I have seen no reason to date GH early or late tha...I have seen no reason to date GH early or late that convinces. It is an open question AFAIAC. But if you know of reasons to suggest that it should be late then I would like to know them.<br /><br />VinnieVinniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15641746441545956137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-80187027392843115302009-08-30T01:28:59.048-07:002009-08-30T01:28:59.048-07:00Vinne,
Saying that something can date over a 100 ...Vinne,<br /><br />Saying that something can date over a 100 year stretch is not to say that all points on the graph are equally likely. I have seen little reason to date the GH nearly that early but much more reason to date Luke-Acts before 100 AD.Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-4892481739244980002009-08-23T20:36:20.056-07:002009-08-23T20:36:20.056-07:00Oh and GHebrews can dated anywhere from 50 to 150....Oh and GHebrews can dated anywhere from 50 to 150. Mention by Ignatius is not ruled out by the accessibility criteria any more than the synoptics are though in their case we at least have other good arguments for dating them this early without using Ignatius.Vinniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15641746441545956137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-40694337324693069462009-08-23T20:27:16.812-07:002009-08-23T20:27:16.812-07:00I wanted to see your response. I haven't gotte...I wanted to see your response. I haven't gotten to Ignatius yet. Still on 1 Clement which I am finding to be independent of the gospels. I'll come back and comment when I move to Ignatius and take your arguments into consideration with the other works I use as preliminaries the YABD and the Dictionary of Later NT and Developments and then Koester, Massaux, Apostolic Fathers in NT which IVinniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15641746441545956137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-32350566265634515112009-08-23T17:02:55.237-07:002009-08-23T17:02:55.237-07:00I don't think an otherwise plausible case can ...I don't think an otherwise plausible case can be made for dating either the Doctrine of Peter or the Gospel of the Hebrews earlier enough for them to be a source for Ignatius. <br /><br />And to be clear, Origen does not attribute the Ignatius statement to the Doctrine of Peter. He notes that the Preaching of Peter contains a reference to Jesus saying he was not a bodiless demon. De Princ.Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-27842184519991173412009-08-22T20:17:09.425-07:002009-08-22T20:17:09.425-07:00I think tis a good idea to balance Massaux with Ko...I think tis a good idea to balance Massaux with Koester. Bellinzoni has several good articles commenting on and summarizing them.Vinniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15641746441545956137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-80116101485780024942009-08-22T20:08:39.029-07:002009-08-22T20:08:39.029-07:00"""""Massaux advises caut..."""""Massaux advises caution because Eusebius was unsure of the source of Ignatius’ reference but in my opinion this makes Luke all the more likely as there are no other likely candidates known to Eusebius. More to the point, Luke is the only Canonical Gospel that includes a post-resurrection appearance of Jesus were Jesus emphasizes his corporeality by inviting His Vinniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15641746441545956137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-16727133792954125542009-08-21T10:47:06.205-07:002009-08-21T10:47:06.205-07:00Excellent new entry in this series, Chris. Persona...Excellent new entry in this series, Chris. Personally I find the parallels with the Luke-Acts passion narrative to be the most convincing, but as you say establishing a strong likelihood of dependence in some cases leads to a more favorable assessment in others where points of contact are less secure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com