tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post3173441386033317015..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: A Brief Argument Against Emergentism BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-90057450799389350862016-05-27T02:52:53.941-07:002016-05-27T02:52:53.941-07:00... there seems no good prima facie reason on a bi...<i>... there seems no good prima facie reason on a biological-naturalist ontology why a dead body could not be simply repaired and put back into circulation. Yet for some reason dead bodies cannot be repaired. ...</i> <br />A more likely reason is that the brain quickly becomes damaged when starved of oxygen, and we have no way to repair that damage.<br /><br />Just look at the effects of a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-26415345825417331282016-05-21T08:07:00.507-07:002016-05-21T08:07:00.507-07:00That's why I keep appealing to your purported ...<i>That's why I keep appealing to your purported empiricism. Life never generates from nonliving matter</i><br />- Our empirical observation of nature tells us that there is no supernatural force at play. There are <a href="http://theskepticzone.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-old-thermodynamics-canard.html" rel="nofollow">perfectly good natural explanations</a> for the emergence of life and mind.<im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25427408097869294792016-05-20T13:25:05.943-07:002016-05-20T13:25:05.943-07:00Just like we have the ability to un-rot a tomato? ...<i>Just like we have the ability to un-rot a tomato? Sorry, but we just don't know how to do that. Does that mean it couldn't be done in principle? No.</i> <br /><br />Right, there's not too much that can't be done "in principle." That's why I keep appealing to your purported empiricism. Life never generates from nonliving matter, we cannot manage to rebuild it, and Don McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387665301048762546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-25748695968803508612016-05-20T09:59:45.768-07:002016-05-20T09:59:45.768-07:00I'm saying that if the function of the brain (...<i>I'm saying that if the function of the brain (consciousness) were dependent strictly upon a particular mechanical arrangement of its parts, we would have the ability to repair, rebuilt or at least replace the dead brain</i><br />- Just like we have the ability to un-rot a tomato? Sorry, but we just don't know how to do that. Does that mean it couldn't be done in principle? No. im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-8476972257468724162016-05-20T06:14:09.707-07:002016-05-20T06:14:09.707-07:00It's your argument. You're saying that if ...<i>It's your argument. You're saying that if we had the ability to fully restore a brain, it still wouldn't function.</i> <br /><br />No, that's pretty much backwards. I'm saying that if the function of the brain (consciousness) were dependent strictly upon a particular mechanical arrangement of its parts, we would have the ability to repair, rebuilt or at least replace the Don McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387665301048762546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-38948894641901751082016-05-19T08:41:59.591-07:002016-05-19T08:41:59.591-07:00No, to my understanding belief in NDE's is not...<i>No, to my understanding belief in NDE's is not a tenet of Christian doctrine.</i><br />- That is not my claim. However, many Christians do believe in it because they think is supports the notion of a soul that lives after death.<br /><br /><i>on what grounds would you dispute Not-R?</i><br />- It's your argument. You're saying that if we had the ability to fully restore a brain, im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-54506970542117581872016-05-19T06:14:58.165-07:002016-05-19T06:14:58.165-07:00What reason do you have to claim Not R? Don't ...<i>What reason do you have to claim Not R? Don't Christians cling to the idea that near-death experiences exist, where the brain is technically dead, and then revives somehow?</i> <br /><br />No, to my understanding belief in NDE's is not a tenet of Christian doctrine. But if you don't cling to that idea yourself, on what grounds would you dispute Not-R? (Keep in mind that you are Don McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387665301048762546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-55340330184533480072016-05-19T02:44:20.941-07:002016-05-19T02:44:20.941-07:00What reason do you have to claim Not R? Don't ...What reason do you have to claim Not R? Don't Christians cling to the idea that near-death experiences exist, where the brain is technically dead, and then revives somehow? In fact, the real reason that a dead brain can't be revived is that it quickly begins to deteriorate. However, given the condition that the physical body could be fully restored to a healthy living state, there is Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-89959838886157890302016-05-18T16:30:39.451-07:002016-05-18T16:30:39.451-07:00good article don but in my view soul is a metaphor...good article don but in my view soul is a metaphor for life and spirit is consciousness which lives on.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-28377098977606789882016-05-18T09:42:02.727-07:002016-05-18T09:42:02.727-07:00Don,
You've built an unsound argument:
If E,...Don,<br /><br />You've built an unsound argument:<br /><i><br />If E, then R.<br />Not R.<br />Not E.<br /><br />where E is the antecedent proposition that consciousness is an emergent property of physical bodies and R is the consequent proposition that consciousness of (dead) physical bodies could be revived with the right amount of mechanical tinkering.</i><br /><br />What reason do you im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.com