tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post2494502310911955350..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Is Richard Carrier Wrong about Romans 8:11 and Bodily Resurrection?BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-81260303752793158942009-11-14T14:34:42.824-08:002009-11-14T14:34:42.824-08:00Layman, looking over these verses again, it does s...Layman, looking over these verses again, it does seem a future resurrection is the preferred interpretation. A review of Romans 6:9-14, the only other location in the New Testament where Paul uses the phrase “your mortal bodies” (although singular in chapter 6), may give support to Carrier's (and Calvin's) interpretation.<br /><br />Rom 6:11 Likewise RECKON ye also YOURSELVES TO BE DEAD Patrick Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11444581091997145088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-75550012817435421812009-11-14T10:25:27.736-08:002009-11-14T10:25:27.736-08:00Thanks for the reply Layman,
I was able to find C...Thanks for the reply Layman,<br /><br />I was able to find Calvin's quote online:<br /><br />"by mortal bodies he understands all those things which still remain in us that are subject to death; for his usual practice is to give this name to the grosser part of us. We hence conclude that HE SPEAKS NOT OF THE LAST RESURRECTION, which shall be in a moment, BUT OF THE CONTINUED WORKING OF Patrick Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11444581091997145088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-7189515546499718122009-11-14T09:34:38.056-08:002009-11-14T09:34:38.056-08:00Patrick,
I thought it was clear. Do you really t...Patrick,<br /><br />I thought it was clear. Do you really think I mean to suggest that the leading Protestant theologian of all time rejected the doctrine of bodily resurrection?<br />To clarify, if such is needed, I meant the latter: Calvin's interpretation of this particular passage in Romans 11. <br /><br />Yes, I have the text from Perkins. <br /><br /><b>"The first section of theLaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-58704355905601608702009-11-13T14:31:26.137-08:002009-11-13T14:31:26.137-08:00Layman said "Long before Professor Perkins, J...Layman said "Long before Professor Perkins, John Calvin expressed a similar view. "<br /><br /><br />Calvin said the following: "Equally monstrous is the error of those who imagine that the soul, instead of resuming the body with which it is now clothed, will obtain a new and different body"<br />(http://thereignofchrist.com/calvin-speaks-from-the-grave-on-ibd-view/)<br /><brPatrick Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11444581091997145088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-40536256846372432702008-07-30T21:34:00.000-07:002008-07-30T21:34:00.000-07:00Actually, I doubt that this is a passage about res...Actually, I doubt that this is a passage about resurrection at all. The power is the power that raised Jesus, it doesn't mean that it is the only function of the power. The body is dead because of sin, thus the power that raised Jesus literally from the dead is more than capable of raising our figuratively dead bodies. <BR/><BR/>I actually prefer Carr's reading, here although I don't know why he adudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14060925478720656455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-21606837671116373302008-07-30T08:02:00.000-07:002008-07-30T08:02:00.000-07:00Steve,If I wanted to lie about what the passage sa...Steve,<BR/><BR/>If I wanted to lie about what the passage said I would not have quoted it and the surrounding passages in full. If you think "explicit" is too strong, try "crystal clear." <BR/><BR/><B>Even the article has to backtrack and say 'The tense is future, meaning this is something that has not happened yet but will. This SUGGESTS the general resurrection at the Parousia.</B><BR/><BR/>Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-9837382545871794392008-07-27T15:17:00.000-07:002008-07-27T15:17:00.000-07:00Layman,With respect to your series "Is Richard Car...Layman,<BR/><BR/>With respect to your series "Is Richard Carrier Wrong About. . .", my immediate reaction is alwasys "of course." However, it's nice of you to actually take the time to explain why.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-29116378934510662562008-07-27T15:16:00.000-07:002008-07-27T15:16:00.000-07:00Layman - "If Christ is in you, though the body is ...<EM>Layman - "If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.'<BR/><BR/>Steven Carr - Why did Paul claim the body was dead, when these Christians were obviously alive, or else they could not have read the letter?</EM><BR/><BR/>Steven, do you ever wonder why no one takes you seriously? I mean, really. You have been arguing these thingsBKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-55572422212684136752008-07-27T13:38:00.000-07:002008-07-27T13:38:00.000-07:00'If Christ is in you, though the body is dead beca...'If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.'<BR/><BR/>Why did Paul claim the body was dead, when these Christians were obviously alive, or else they could not have read the letter?<BR/><BR/>'The better understanding of Romans 8:11 is that it refers to the future bodily resurrection of Christians, explicitly stating that it is theSteven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.com