tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post1835549720999858284..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: Lower IQs Lead to Faith in God?BKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-53080317707060375732017-05-22T22:20:27.207-07:002017-05-22T22:20:27.207-07:00You would find it even more conveniencing if you a...You would find it even more conveniencing if you actually got born again. Belief in <br />God is about a real thing is not just a better cultural setup. I don't think having your brain crowded makes you less able to understand.It's what you focus upon that counts.<br /><br />My book, seven years in research offers an empirical proof you need to believe in God, <br /><br /><a href="https:/Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-29629387093319119642017-05-22T19:47:28.758-07:002017-05-22T19:47:28.758-07:00I think I see an explanation that reconciles all t...I think I see an explanation that reconciles all the evidence cited in the blog entry and comments, as well as my own experience as a rationally persuaded Christian who has an unusually high IQ and constantly noticed how less intelligent my less religious schoolmates were in every class I took all the way through college.<br /><br />One of the atheists actually gave away the game unintentionally RIQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-76390007019966712952016-12-28T09:40:40.943-08:002016-12-28T09:40:40.943-08:00Have you considered that adherence to religious do...Have you considered that adherence to religious dogma (no allowing yourself to even CONSIDER alternatives, on the assumption that Satan lies behind every doubt - I used to be there) is negatively associated with BOTH income and IQ?<br /><br />I suppose a similar within countries would show similar results; but might be instructive. Note that one religion and country that was left out was JudaismA. Realistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-32535246038913161602013-03-15T19:43:59.117-07:002013-03-15T19:43:59.117-07:00Probably not many commentators here have taken a r...Probably not many commentators here have taken a real IQ test. It is mostly a measure of cognitive abilities, and memorization. IQs do not correlate perfectly to real world knowledge though. Some members of MENSA are often not deep thinkers, and it is possible for some people with lower IQs to have great insight into the world.<br /><br />It seems many commentators here want to think they are &Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-68219483797059008972012-08-05T13:36:10.298-07:002012-08-05T13:36:10.298-07:00Haha, if you think about it, a^2+b^2=c^2 is a litt...Haha, if you think about it, a^2+b^2=c^2 is a little bit simpler than the Christian gospel with all the abstract stuff about sin and sacrifice. (I'm not sure how that might apply to other religious creeds.) It definitely involves less emotional investment as well; mathematical formulas and grammatical rules don't imply much about me as a person or require lifelong social interaction with Violet Blacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-45157391103785294522012-04-21T12:49:34.075-07:002012-04-21T12:49:34.075-07:00This is great!
What I think:
poor country = no e...This is great!<br /><br />What I think:<br /><br />poor country = no education ---> dumb people = believe in god<br /><br />The people that live in poor countries don't know any better and the only thing that they could do is believe in a "god" that will help them. And to release them from all their "suffering". I think people that do that are stupid and I just laugh atThink!!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-51803942673395031382011-06-03T06:39:40.512-07:002011-06-03T06:39:40.512-07:00While its possible to make a rough estimate of one...While its possible to make a rough estimate of ones learning potential (IQ) it is NOT currently possible to determine ones gullibility and ignorance, which I think are the REAL problems that not only provide faiths like Catholicism and Islam with the number of followers that that have, but also prevents those followers from realizing the con.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-77671243920510225702011-01-17T20:45:23.165-08:002011-01-17T20:45:23.165-08:00How funny. It has been a long time since I read th...How funny. It has been a long time since I read through these comments and I find two people questioning my IQ being above 102. For the record, I have had my IQ tested on several occasions and my IQ is much higher than that. I also qualify for MENSA (I just don't want to pay the fee to become a member). If you laugh or question that statement, it says more about your IQ than mine.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-74690381445618908162010-08-20T17:22:52.904-07:002010-08-20T17:22:52.904-07:00The problem with studies like these is that the da...The problem with studies like these is that the data can be confirmed but the reasoning behind it cannot. There is, however, much stronger evidence linking IQ to GDP then there is in linking IQ to religiousity. <br />There is way to much conflicting correlations to adequately associate IQ and religiosity. For example, this study shows a correlation between higher religiousity and lower IQ&#Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-15736812524936762302010-08-19T21:50:37.659-07:002010-08-19T21:50:37.659-07:00Some said: ""My IQ scores are well above...Some said: ""My IQ scores are well above 102 and I am completely and affirmatively Christian." Well, if this was to be an argument, then I have doubts regarding the well above 102 IQ. <br />The GDP vs. IQ and the Religion vs. IQ graphs actually make sence, although one must never forget that correlation does not necessarily mean causation. On the other hand, if you assume that IQ Laaz Molinarinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-60885174618708121392010-05-09T12:23:26.727-07:002010-05-09T12:23:26.727-07:00"My IQ scores are well above 102 and I am com..."My IQ scores are well above 102 and I am completely and affirmatively Christian."<br /><br />LMFAO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-54567849551130452832009-09-26T13:04:00.663-07:002009-09-26T13:04:00.663-07:00Its hard to convince either sides.
Against the at...Its hard to convince either sides.<br /><br />Against the atheism, believers have believers POV logic.<br /><br />Against the believers, atheists have atheists POV logic.<br /><br />From how i see it, non-religion nor scientifically, just by simple thoughts, the evidences by either sides or the rebuttal are one sidedly true as when one has closed his/her mind to the facts of the matter, they alvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07761723942633229807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-90189449454910572632009-01-03T11:01:00.000-08:002009-01-03T11:01:00.000-08:00One should be cautious when drawing conclusions ab...One should be cautious when drawing conclusions about causation from correlation.<BR/><BR/>Wealth and measured IQ are, for instance, related in both directions. A rich country can afford to provide better nutrition for children, which directly affects IQ. And a country whose workers have a higher average IQ than the neighbouring country is likely to also get richer faster.<BR/><BR/><B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-47716898248673419052007-12-17T05:23:00.000-08:002007-12-17T05:23:00.000-08:00To Godan.. "IQ is mostly a function of schooling a...To Godan.. "IQ is mostly a function of schooling and GDP. The wealthier nations have a higher IQ level."<BR/><BR/>That's just not true.. The IQ, by it's definition is in no relation with the education, culture or GDP.<BR/>Education is, however, function of schooling and GDP. Therefore, you have mixed up education level with IQ level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-20751466874610331402007-12-12T08:40:00.000-08:002007-12-12T08:40:00.000-08:00this is coming very late. But my research demonstr...this is coming very late. But my research demonstrates clearly that more studies show religious people are smarter. Taken together studies that show either no correlation or favor the religious as smarter are about 16 t0 6. All the major studies that atheists can point to were done before the 1970s. The assumptions of psychology being what they were before the work of Maslow it is little wonder.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-17860743463359988362007-09-28T06:55:00.000-07:002007-09-28T06:55:00.000-07:00The "higher IQ people tend to be arrogant 'thus' a...The "higher IQ people tend to be arrogant 'thus' atheist" argument is pretty lame. I've never seen in real life people with this sort of epistemological reasoning, "I'm smart, so I don't need gods, then gods probably don't exist". Theism actually can have much of arrogance as well, irrespective of high or low IQs. It's not that unusual to find testimonials of people who feel that they are, eitherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-10365529147799257712007-08-17T00:43:00.000-07:002007-08-17T00:43:00.000-07:00mikey182,I think I love you.mikey182,<BR/><BR/>I think I love you.Daniellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08593493719128575204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-33054568393605771062007-08-10T07:33:00.000-07:002007-08-10T07:33:00.000-07:00Hi there, and thankyou for your considered respons...Hi there, and thankyou for your considered response.<BR/><BR/>> The point of the post is that I don't agree that the evidence cited "clearly tends to suggest that smarter AND more affluent people are moving away from religion." <BR/><BR/>You state later that you think this IS the case (with "educated thinkers"), you just disagree with the reasons for it.<BR/><BR/>> but that doesn't add up to "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-21695500408208862812007-08-09T10:13:00.000-07:002007-08-09T10:13:00.000-07:00mikey182,The point of the post is that I don't agr...mikey182,<BR/><BR/>The point of the post is that I <I>don't</I> agree that the evidence cited "clearly tends to suggest that smarter AND more affluent people are moving away from religion." I agree that in our western culture there are certainly fewer Christians and I agree that we are more affluent in the west, but that doesn't add up to "people with higher IQs are not Christian." Nor does it BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-66043513532181430022007-08-09T08:20:00.000-07:002007-08-09T08:20:00.000-07:00You God people always argue the same way: "you ca...You God people always argue the same way: "you can't prove it! nyah nyah nyah nyah!" <I>sticks fingers in ears</I> - then you all high-five each other about showing it to those damn pesky atheists. You can believe what you like of course, but if you're really open minded you won't mind someone getting in the way of all that back-slapping for a serious discussion.<BR/><BR/>The evidence clearly <Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-42020693069183949522007-07-05T23:08:00.000-07:002007-07-05T23:08:00.000-07:00Trying to determine the relationship between IQ an...Trying to determine the relationship between IQ and religious faith is impossible. There are likely many millions of church attendees whose faith is questionable and many unchurched folks who are strong believers. People may be very hesitant to be candid about their religious beliefs (or the lack thereof) for many valid reasons. Belief in God can't be reduced to numerical values. Furthermore, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-65930580133269769282007-03-20T08:57:00.000-07:002007-03-20T08:57:00.000-07:00Interesting observation, Godan. It's that old corr...Interesting observation, Godan. It's that old correlation-causation bugaboo again--like the finding a few years ago in St. Louis that violent crime was positively correlated with ice cream sales in the city. (Danger! Keep your family far, far away from Dairy Queen!)<BR/><BR/>It's well-nigh impossible to figure out just from the data what's really going on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-86654449028069119022007-03-19T09:23:00.000-07:002007-03-19T09:23:00.000-07:00This is not the only evidence for the negative lin...This is not the only evidence for the negative link between religiosity and education or IQ. In the U.S., religious faith is negatively correlated with education. We need to address that realistically for what it is. Also, you discussed whether religion leads to low IQ, but the converse question needs to be considered also: does low intelligence lead to increased religious faith? <BR/><BR/>I'm Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-20501623935280174822007-03-19T09:14:00.000-07:002007-03-19T09:14:00.000-07:00Would it be illiberal to point out that this websi...Would it be illiberal to point out that this website's author could have shown higher intelligence, by not misusing "begs the question"?<BR/><BR/><I>"The data shown above begs the question: what would be revealed by a survey that correlated IQ and religiosity on an individual basis? Within a given population, is religion more important to persons of high intelligence, or low intelligence?</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com