tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post115021361782834748..comments2024-03-14T08:15:15.207-07:00Comments on CADRE Comments: At Least Try to Make a Legitimate ArgumentBKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150302767662938522006-06-14T09:32:00.000-07:002006-06-14T09:32:00.000-07:00Let me clarify something because I just re-read it...Let me clarify something because I just re-read it and realized it sounded wrong. I do take atheists seriously who are serious about what they believe. I don't doubt the non-belief or doubts voiced by many atheists. I was limiting my comment to atheists who make outrageous claims or engage in outrageous tactics that others tell me "should not be taken seriously."BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150302670759766972006-06-14T09:31:00.000-07:002006-06-14T09:31:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150302542979411862006-06-14T09:29:00.000-07:002006-06-14T09:29:00.000-07:00Ian, thanks for the comment. I only take atheists ...Ian, thanks for the comment. I only take atheists seriously because they are taken seriously by others. I am constantly told that various skeptics -- especially Mr. Flemming -- are merely joking. The only problem is that others see their "joking" and take it seriously (and I am not convinced that Flemming is just joking -- he takes his own jokes far too seriously to be seen as completely divorcedBKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01967809861892681780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150257902043441982006-06-13T21:05:00.000-07:002006-06-13T21:05:00.000-07:00BK, it might be worth adding that such statements ...BK, it might be worth adding that such statements as Brian Flemming's Statement of Belief look like a lack of confidence.<BR/><BR/>As you said, there is nothing wrong with framing an issue -- and I think that legitimate framing can be a sign and an expression of healthy confidence. But refusing to dialogue with people unless they first accept your claims looks like obvious underconfidence, and IKevin Roserohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10561966426667018210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150254576736982042006-06-13T20:09:00.000-07:002006-06-13T20:09:00.000-07:00This is quite hillarious. I just wish that I coul...This is quite hillarious. I just wish that I could use this approach with some people. Have them sign a document that says I'm right and only then they can proceed to argue with me. Huzzah!<BR/><BR/>Some of their arguments are quite bizzare, especially the ones dealing with the specifics of the gospels. The existance of Pre-Mark literature, such as 'Q' and an early passion piece as sources A Good Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02650467118772645307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150234731668098942006-06-13T14:38:00.000-07:002006-06-13T14:38:00.000-07:00Sometimes skeptics can be self-parodying, which no...Sometimes skeptics can be self-parodying, which no doubts saves JP some time. <BR/><BR/>"I acknowledge that there is no known evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ that dates to the period of his alleged life."<BR/><BR/>Even the Jesus Seminar thinks that a significant amount of material from the Gospels goes back to Jesus. Why does this not count as evidence that "dates to the period of Laymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11761410435140602771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6363362.post-1150228654826075992006-06-13T12:57:00.000-07:002006-06-13T12:57:00.000-07:00Everyone has some sort of criteria about what cons...Everyone has some sort of criteria about what constitutes a worthwhile conversation as opposed to a waste of time, effort, and resource. The advocates of this document clearly think that people with a contrary position are clueless, ignorant, or stupid and are not interested in communication with them. That's their perogative.<BR/><BR/>I will not engage in conversation with those who either slaveofonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493574936843969520noreply@blogger.com